Re: Canadian Election
Originally Posted by
Auston'sWilly
lol, congrats for being off someone else's teat for 10 years.
But "you're welcome" still applies unless you're a province showing all zeroes in the table attached.
*checks table* BC is not one of them.
As for the other stuff, you're a textbook collectivist, which is perfectly fine.
You want to give to the guy on the street, just in case someday you are the guy on the street. Terrific. Be an enabler.
But do it with your own money, instead of expecting everybody to pitch in.
Individualists believe in themselves.
They take pride in being self-sufficient, and if they end up on the street anyway, well, I guess that's God's will.
But thank you in advance for the handout if you happen to pass by me.
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https://open.canada.ca/data/en/datas...6-e692897d393f
so I more or less skipped over this one
we are operating on some misunderstandings.
First off, that spreadsheet is being used for a "no true scotsman" argument. That would be a fallacy. Not to mention not all tax expenditures come out of the taxes applied to Alberta. The entire province of Alberta's GDP is less than the GDP of Toronto, for example. And all of Alberta's oil industry accounts for 6% of Canada's GDP, less than the GDP of the City of Vancouver. If Alberta is bankrolling the entire country while only producing 15.5% of the country's GDP, well...it ain't much of a bankroll. Oil is not "the engine" of Canada's economy if 94% of its GDP comes from things that aren't oil.
re: individualism/collectivism and transfer payments:
Transfer payments were baked into confederation all the way back in 1867. Alberta joined in 1905. So not only is it "totally OK", it was part of the deal Alberta signed on to.
And it's probably not well described as "collectivism" anyway; this is more or less what being a country, or city, or province is about. Society, civilization, especially democracy, is a collective endeavour. Canada is not a bunch of folks in the woods living off the land for themselves, and it's not communism, and you are fooling yourself if you think its despotism even under another Big Bad Trudeau. it's people working, in some part together, for common goals while enjoying a great deal of personal freedom. That is made possible through taxes and redistribution and shared, collective expenditures that make it all possible.
Back in 1905 and earlier, sure, you could say there were "individualists", as most settlers anywhere more or less largely were. A lot of them had very hard lives scrounging and breaking their backs for a living. And that is not unique to Alberta. And some people still do. But today? I'm not sure how someone that enjoys public roads and highways, health care, education, military, RCMP, rule of law, even corporations and regulated markets, and any number of other public benefits can call themselves an "individualist". I mean, do you seriously think people who don't object to these things on principle are all not thinking for themselves? There is so much you enjoy, and so much of your freedom is owed to, that is not provided on an "individual" level.
You want lower federal taxes and I guess don't want any money from Alberta being redistributed outside of Alberta. But you enjoy the benefits of money being redistributed anyway. That's not individualism. Individualism is a romantic fantasy. Imperfect collectivism is reality. It doesn't get less imperfect when people yell "I GOT MINE, EFF YOU" whenever its convenient, like they are personally responsible for the good times and blameless in the bad.
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