Albeit a small sample size, always go with proven. Mackinnon here
Nathan MacKinnon
Connor McDavid
Sign me up for MacKinnon....easily.
Albeit a small sample size, always go with proven. Mackinnon here
Member of OCHA
8-GM / WK-H2H
Forwards: G=2, A=1, PP/SH= +1, GWG= +2, Shootout G=1, HT= +1
D-Men/Captain: G=3/A=2
Goalies: W=3, OTL=1, SO= +2, SV= .10
Start = 13F, 6D, 2G / Keep 44 (3G)
Captain: Matthews
(F): MacKinnon, Pasta, Marner, Rantanen, Malkin, Barkov, M.Tkachuk, W.Nylander, Pettersson, Gaudreau, Laine, Keller, Miller, B.Tkachuk, Stutzle, DeBrincat, L.Raymond, K.Johnson, Cozens, Quinn, Guenther, Kulich, Cooley
(D): Makar, Dahlin, Q.Hughes, Ekblad, Rielly, Werenski, Letang, Jones, Chychrun, Seider, Edvinsson, Jiricek, Korchinski, Mintyukov, Ceulemans, Hutson
(G): Shesterkin, Demko, Vejmelka
I hate when people ask to compare someone in the NHL to someone still playing Jr. hockey.
Yes, McDavid is being touted as a generational player but how many Jr stars have we seen dominate in their league then struggle in the NHL.
Until McDavid steps into an NHL game, I'll take what I can see with my own two eyes.
MacKinnon
I see what you see with McDavid, so I'm having a hard time picking one over the other. However, as a business decision, I have to go with MacKinnon for the reasons listed by many.
I see MacK as a Tavares-type in the making (with a pretty sure guarantee of the end result based on his transition to the NHL game this year) whereas McDavid is in a Crosby-like category. The optimal output of McDavid over MacKinnon is 30 points at max IMO if both guys reach their true potential (130 vs 100 respectively), but the odds of that happening are very slim. If anything, MacK has proven that he can hit the ppg mark in the not-so-distant future (probably as early as next year) so his 90-100 ceiling is very plausible down the road. McD on the other hand has yet to show that he can play in the NHL, even if he is burning it in the juniors. I'm not making a comparison here, but Kevin Roy has also burned many junior/college records and has yet to play an NHL game (and if he ever does, I doubt he will be able to dominate the same way as he was accustomed to).
The point in all of this, as illustrated above, is that the potential for the extra points that McDavid COULD produce over MacKinnon does not out-weight the proven vs expected theory.
I vote for MacKinnon here as well, but I see why HockeyProphet values McDavid to the point of taking him over NM! On a side note though, if you asked people if they would trade their Ilya Kovalchuk in 2003 for Crosby (2005), I'm pretty sure many would have voted to keep Kovy!
Keeper league 14 teams (H2H, 20 active players keep 16 NHLers, 16 minors)
Scoring Cats: G-A-PTS-PPG-PPA-(+/-)-HITS-BLK-SHP-SOG-FOW-GWG / W-L-SVS-SV%-GAA-SO
C- Crosby, Barzal, Bennett, Schmaltz, Cooley, Novak
W- Forsberg, Batherson, Nichuskin, Tuch, Konecny, Maccelli, Sharangovich, Bertuzzi, Neighbours, Reichel, Holloway
D- Carlson, Rielly, Klingberg
G- Hellebuyck, Demko, Merzlikins, Vejmelka
Minors:
F: Fantilli, Bourgault, Perreault, Cowan, Ohgren, N. Foote, Goyette, Iskhakov, Denisenko, Tracey
D: Simashev, Willander, Lambos
G: Schmidt, Rodrigue, DiPietro, Gaudreau, McKay
Yeah I really don't think you can go wrong with either player, both will be stars in my opinion.
I've seen McDavid play and he stands out, (I'm sure McKinnon did too). Its not just how he is doing in juniors, but his play in the Worlds. Also he's getting praise from Crosby, who says that McDavid reminds him of himself. Also, Orr who spotted him at a young age, and is his agent.
ALSO I've read about his work ethic and how he trains. McDavid is gearing up to be the real deal.
The only thing that could really hurt him, is where he ends up, so I can see a strong argument that Mac is sitting pretty but I like the gamble here.
16 Team H2H League (Keep 6)
3C - 3LW - 3RW - 6D - 2G
2013 1st place, 2014 1st place, 2015 1st place
G, A, +/-, PIM, SOG, HIT, BLK GS, W, GAA, SV%, SO
C= Stall, Marchessault, Hayes, Suzuki
LW= Svechnikov, Goodrow, DeBrusk,
RW= P.Kane, Kucherov, Fiala, Johnson
D= Rielly, Borowieki, Fowler, Hagg, Murphy
G= Demko, Samsonov, Jarry, Allen, Shesterkin, Talbot
To me it doesnt matter who's praising them or who they compare them to. Until they step onto the ice in the NHL, they are nothing more then a prospect with something to prove. Lets not forget, Alexandre Daigle scored 247 pts in 119 games for Victoriaville and was touted as the next Mario Lemieux. How'd that work out?
10 Team, Points Only, Cash League
25 Man Roster (no position), top 20 point getters count at end of month
Keep 20/25 at seasons end, Cut 5 to FA for redrafting
Goalie points W=2pt L=-1pt SHO=2pt
Stamkos, Tavares, Eichel, Mercer, JRobertson, RThomas, Kucherov, Nugent-Hopkins, Tuch, KConnor, Necas, Point, Konecny, SJarvis, Cozenz, Morrissey, Bouchard, Josi, Novak, Tolvanen, Peterka, SBennett
G- Vasilevskiy, Sorokin, Oettinger
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Mack over Mic for me - better team that McDavid will land with and already proven.
I don't think it was Mario and Orr saying so. Also, I think a lot more top picks have been more successful in making the jump. I agree, junior to the NHL is a step some don't make. But its high praise, from knowledgable hockey people.
Also played pretty darn well in the World Juniors, as a 16 year old, against 19 year olds. The last person, was Crosby. So he fits a good pedigree.
No way does he take the Daigle path.
16 Team H2H League (Keep 6)
3C - 3LW - 3RW - 6D - 2G
2013 1st place, 2014 1st place, 2015 1st place
G, A, +/-, PIM, SOG, HIT, BLK GS, W, GAA, SV%, SO
C= Stall, Marchessault, Hayes, Suzuki
LW= Svechnikov, Goodrow, DeBrusk,
RW= P.Kane, Kucherov, Fiala, Johnson
D= Rielly, Borowieki, Fowler, Hagg, Murphy
G= Demko, Samsonov, Jarry, Allen, Shesterkin, Talbot
That is true. I don't like to play the Russian prospect card, but he's fitting the stereotype pretty well. Be interesting to see how it plays out, and if he gets unmuzzled in EDM (more likely to see him in another jersey).
But I never thought he was going to be a generational talent. Look at players who were 16 year olds in the WJ, Crosby, Lindros, Spezza, Gretzky.
If you read about his work ethic and training, he has that Toews/Crosby/Stamkos seriousness about his career. Skill and maturity is why I think he makes the jump.
16 Team H2H League (Keep 6)
3C - 3LW - 3RW - 6D - 2G
2013 1st place, 2014 1st place, 2015 1st place
G, A, +/-, PIM, SOG, HIT, BLK GS, W, GAA, SV%, SO
C= Stall, Marchessault, Hayes, Suzuki
LW= Svechnikov, Goodrow, DeBrusk,
RW= P.Kane, Kucherov, Fiala, Johnson
D= Rielly, Borowieki, Fowler, Hagg, Murphy
G= Demko, Samsonov, Jarry, Allen, Shesterkin, Talbot
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Going off the rails on a Hype Train!
You can say they're comparing McDavid to Crosby...
MacKinnon already looks as good as Crosby right now.
10 Team Limited Keeper (Keep 8) Points Only
SALARY CAP (Player Salaries) League
20 Player Teams = 12 Fwd 6 D 2 G
My team: ???
Chances are both will be superstars. I'm a believer in McDavid, and if it were any other "prospect" than MacKinnon (no longer a prospect) who we were comparing him to, I'd probably go with him. Like most, I've watched MacKinnon a lot this year and the kid has impressed me from day 1 but has been getting better and better by the game it seems. At 18 years old, he's among the best players on the ice any given game. On the game's largest stage - the playoffs - he's been absolutely incredible. He's good it all: Size, speed, tenacity, grit, passing hands, goal scorers hands and work ethic. Not saying McDavid doesn't, but we are already seeing what MacKinnon can do at this level... as an 18 year old.
8-GM / WK-H2H
Forwards: G=2, A=1, PP/SH= +1, GWG= +2, Shootout G=1, HT= +1
D-Men/Captain: G=3/A=2
Goalies: W=3, OTL=1, SO= +2, SV= .10
Start = 13F, 6D, 2G / Keep 44 (3G)
Captain: Matthews
(F): MacKinnon, Pasta, Marner, Rantanen, Malkin, Barkov, M.Tkachuk, W.Nylander, Pettersson, Gaudreau, Laine, Keller, Miller, B.Tkachuk, Stutzle, DeBrincat, L.Raymond, K.Johnson, Cozens, Quinn, Guenther, Kulich, Cooley
(D): Makar, Dahlin, Q.Hughes, Ekblad, Rielly, Werenski, Letang, Jones, Chychrun, Seider, Edvinsson, Jiricek, Korchinski, Mintyukov, Ceulemans, Hutson
(G): Shesterkin, Demko, Vejmelka
16 Team H2H League (Keep 6)
3C - 3LW - 3RW - 6D - 2G
2013 1st place, 2014 1st place, 2015 1st place
G, A, +/-, PIM, SOG, HIT, BLK GS, W, GAA, SV%, SO
C= Stall, Marchessault, Hayes, Suzuki
LW= Svechnikov, Goodrow, DeBrusk,
RW= P.Kane, Kucherov, Fiala, Johnson
D= Rielly, Borowieki, Fowler, Hagg, Murphy
G= Demko, Samsonov, Jarry, Allen, Shesterkin, Talbot