[Offer Sheet Matched] SHEA WEBER SIGNS WITH PHILLY! 14 Years/100Mill!!!

[Carcillo]

Does anybody know what the contract works out to for compensation picks?
Is it really four 1sts?
The contract is $100m/14 years = $7.142. This would be 1st/1st/2nd/3rd
...or...
Does the RFA look at smaller periods of time toward the front-end to determine the compensation?

As per CBA 10.4, the term used in an offersheet calculation is the lower of the term of the contract and five years. 110M/5 = 22M. 22M > 8.4M. Compensation is four first round picks.

So yeah the compensation would be four 1st round picks.

[3rtpaper]

True, but these are different situations and different hockey markets - that cannot be emphasized enough.

Let's look at Minnesota - they were ADDING two elite players for nothing to an established team. These additions ALONE will generate revenue via a spike in ticket prices, ticket sales, jersey sales, etc. The second Parise and Suter put on Wild jerseys they started "making money" for the Minnesota Wild.

In Nashville's case, there are RETAINING a player that the fans are already used to. The ticket sales are what they are, the Weber jerseys are already purchased. Resigning Weber will stop the bleeding but it will NOT generate any additional revenue in of itself.

Another factor is team success. The Wild are adding two stars to their team which immediately turned their team from a pretender to contender. The Nashville Predators have LOST Ryan Suter, Alex Radulov and a couple other role players brought in to add scoring punch. They are WORSE off than they were heading into the playoffs - that is not a recipe for recouping "additional" revenue.

I agree that IF the Predators don't match, they are in deep, deep crap from both a competitive and PR standpoint, which is why, to save face, I think they need to (and will) go back to Philly and workout a 2nd deal worth players and picks.

Adding revenue is the same as takign revenue away. The situations aren't entirely different. Radulov wasn't there most of the year anyways and if there is such a thing as addition by subtraction he is it. Nashville is worse than last year on paper sure they are but they are still a playoff team with Weber. The loss of revenue is more significant than the increase of revenue for the Wild.

The entire "saving face" by having players being traded makes no sense. If Nashville can't match there is no reason for Philly to do it.

If Nashville's situation is as dire as you are saying it might be (which i disagree) then why would Philly want to help them save face.

It is alot easier for me to believe that this entire situation is that Weber wants this deal done before the CBA gets hammered out because he can make all his money up front and get a life time contract; compared to secret deals already established and financial concerns and what not.

I feel like you are trying to convince yourself that he will be a Flyer and if I was a Flyer fan I would want to do the same thing. Is there a chance all of that happened? Sure, but I just don't find it likely compared to Weber getting what he wants financially. All Holmgren did was block a trade else where and gave himself a slim chance.

[Pengwin7]

So yeah the compensation would be four 1st round picks.

Wow.
Well... it's fair.

With Philly, those picks are probably going to be 20th-25th overall.
But... if Nashville can't afford him - can they really get a better return?


If PHI actually gets Weber... somebody (pointing at myself) is going to look mighty sharp for putting Bryz above Rinne on all of my recent goalie rankings.
How many people will have to change their tune??

[kenzle1r]

That big "gasp for air" you hear is all the Rinne owners in fantasy hockey.

[Big Ev]

Wow.
Well... it's fair.

With Philly, those picks are probably going to be 20th-25th overall.
But... if Nashville can't afford him - can they really get a better return?


If PHI actually gets Weber... somebody (pointing at myself) is going to look mighty sharp for putting Bryz above Rinne on all of my recent goalie rankings.
How many people will have to change their tune??

I'd still take Rinne over Bryz.

[Big Ev]

http://www.truehockey.com/articles/N...h-Philly-Offer

[bondon]

Wow.
Well... it's fair.

With Philly, those picks are probably going to be 20th-25th overall.
But... if Nashville can't afford him - can they really get a better return?


If PHI actually gets Weber... somebody (pointing at myself) is going to look mighty sharp for putting Bryz above Rinne on all of my recent goalie rankings.
How many people will have to change their tune??

With all due respect, that wouldn't make you look sharp that would just make you lucky lol.

[Pengwin7]

With all due respect, that wouldn't make you look sharp that would just make you lucky lol.

Not lucky.

[fulcrum]

They would be two separate transactions that are agreed upon up-front.

Nashville doesn't match.

Philly relinquishes compensation in four 1st round picks.

Nashville returns two of the 1st round picks to Philadelphia for Voracek, Read and Meszaros.

Done.

That's exactly what happened in 1997 with Chris Gratton.

But in this scenario, Nashville has just paid $26,000,000.00 to Weber.

I don't know. The more I think about this the more I think Philly isn't gonna get Weber, and was losing out in the trade. So they made a shreud move to assure he wouldn't be a Ranger.

[fulcrum]

Per Kyper:


‪#Preds‬ Weber offer sheet from ‪#Flyers‬. 1st 4 yrs 1M salary+13M sb; yrs 5-6 4M sal+ 8Msb; yrs 7-10 6M sal; year 11 3M sal; last 3 yrs 1M sal

Well, this changes the last post I put up.....I knew I should have read them all....

[fungchen3]

But in this scenario, Nashville has just paid $26,000,000.00 to Weber.

No they didn't - they did NOT match the offer. The Flyers paid Weber with my scenario. Immediately after the compensation picks are property of the Predators, they deal a couple 1sts back to Philly for players. The Preds won't be paying Weber a penny.

[kushmoney]

Even if Nashville does match the offer, their front office has to be in an uproar this morning. They probably called Homer and said, "wtf man, who signs RFAs anymore???"

[PocketRockets05]

As per our Dobber Ramblings today if the Rangers offered the Sharks Gaborik for Boyle, and since that points to the fact Gaborik is in play, there probably was an offer on the table of Gaborik+ to the Preds for Weber. I could see Gaborik being an appealing player to the Predators. I tend to agree with the comments here that a big reason for this offer sheet by Holmgren was to ensure either the Flyers or Preds get Weber and none of their rivals.

[PocketRockets05]

Agreed. All Philly did was ensure that should Weber move to the East, it's as a Flyer.

Right now, yes. But if Nashville is that peeved with Philly nothing would stop them from matching the offer sheet, keep Weber for a year, then trade him somewhere else out East for something considerably more than four 24th-30th overall picks.

[fungchen3]

Right now, yes. But if Nashville is that peeved with Philly what would stop them from matching the offer sheet, keep Weber for a year, then trade him somewhere else out East for something considerably more than four 24th-30th overall picks.

After paying Weber $27 million in cash over the last (this upcoming) calendar year, no way. Come next Thursday, Shea Weber is either a Predator or Flyer for life.