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    Hi, I am thinking of targetting these two but as I consider myself rubbish at trades I am not sure what to offer, any suggestions?

    This is or the league in my sig. I am guessing you will say that you really need to see the other guys roster and evaluate what he needs but could you give me a steer to their current value.

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    C -Crosby, E Staal, Schwartz(LW), Scheifele, Bjugstad, Eichel, Konecny
    LW - JVR, C Soderberg (C), Burakovsky, Roussel, Z Girgensons (C)
    RW - Vorachek, Nichuskin, Hudler, Pastrnak (RW), Ferland (LW), Pirri
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    G - Holtby, Smith (IR), Ramo, Ortio, Ullmark, Domingue
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    Default Re: Targetting Saad & Kreider

    Generally - in this league - older more established types like Sharp or Backes. You're going the young up-in-coming way so you need to dish a aged stud for one of these cats. You may get a pick thrown back atcha...depends.
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    Default Re: Targetting Saad & Kreider

    Quote Originally Posted by Bomm Bastic View Post
    Generally - in this league - older more established types like Sharp or Backes. You're going the young up-in-coming way so you need to dish a aged stud for one of these cats. You may get a pick thrown back atcha...depends.
    Thanks Bomm Bastic, I think I understand what you mean. I was kind of hoping the examples my have included actual players on my roster to offer But thank you again for taking the time to reply.

    Anyone else with any suggestions??
    12 Team H2H keeper league (Keep 20+7) Rebuild Mode engaged
    (G, A, +/-,PIM,PPP,SHP,GWG & SOG. W,GAA,SV% & SHO) Daily changes
    C -Crosby, E Staal, Schwartz(LW), Scheifele, Bjugstad, Eichel, Konecny
    LW - JVR, C Soderberg (C), Burakovsky, Roussel, Z Girgensons (C)
    RW - Vorachek, Nichuskin, Hudler, Pastrnak (RW), Ferland (LW), Pirri
    D - D Hamilton, Trouba, Streit, Bogosian, Parakyo, Gohst
    G - Holtby, Smith (IR), Ramo, Ortio, Ullmark, Domingue
    Farm - Baertschi, W Nylander, K Kapanen, N Petan, J Vrana, N Scherbak, Senyshen

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    Default Re: Targetting Saad & Kreider

    Well it's hard to say what you could offer for them. Do the same GM own both of them? How high are you on E.Staal? He's a buy-low player right now but his name should still carry a lot of value so maybe try moving him with a lesser piece (Pirri, Soderberg, Brouwer etc.) for the two players you're targeting? Not sure that'll do it but worth a shot I guess.

    Other than that I guess moving a center, which you have plenty, could be an option. Scheifele or Bjugstad straight up for one of Saad or Kreider should get the talks going on. I like the two centers more so I personally wouldn't offer that but they would be close enough and fair value.
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    lol...ya I thought about that after I posted. I was in a hurry, but I supposed a more specific response was warranted.

    Assuming, the other GM is on "on the verge" so to speak then I would think Iginla or Ryan or Niskanen or Gio + Bjugstad or pick of equivalent value.
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    Hi BomBastic, thanks for coming back again with a bit more clarity, I wasn't sure if the first answe was rushed or drink induced

    The same owner holds both players, so I guess the deal needs to be pretty good. I could handle selling E Staal, although I expect a bounce back season from him, so maybe Staal + Iginla could be a starting point??
    12 Team H2H keeper league (Keep 20+7) Rebuild Mode engaged
    (G, A, +/-,PIM,PPP,SHP,GWG & SOG. W,GAA,SV% & SHO) Daily changes
    C -Crosby, E Staal, Schwartz(LW), Scheifele, Bjugstad, Eichel, Konecny
    LW - JVR, C Soderberg (C), Burakovsky, Roussel, Z Girgensons (C)
    RW - Vorachek, Nichuskin, Hudler, Pastrnak (RW), Ferland (LW), Pirri
    D - D Hamilton, Trouba, Streit, Bogosian, Parakyo, Gohst
    G - Holtby, Smith (IR), Ramo, Ortio, Ullmark, Domingue
    Farm - Baertschi, W Nylander, K Kapanen, N Petan, J Vrana, N Scherbak, Senyshen

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    Default Re: Targetting Saad & Kreider

    So I would like some input on this offer that I am thinking of sending, am I crazy to think this will get through, am I over paying or low balling, all input appreciated.

    My E Staal, Iginla, R Suter & Voynov
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    If you want to change any of the players this is for the league in my sig.
    12 Team H2H keeper league (Keep 20+7) Rebuild Mode engaged
    (G, A, +/-,PIM,PPP,SHP,GWG & SOG. W,GAA,SV% & SHO) Daily changes
    C -Crosby, E Staal, Schwartz(LW), Scheifele, Bjugstad, Eichel, Konecny
    LW - JVR, C Soderberg (C), Burakovsky, Roussel, Z Girgensons (C)
    RW - Vorachek, Nichuskin, Hudler, Pastrnak (RW), Ferland (LW), Pirri
    D - D Hamilton, Trouba, Streit, Bogosian, Parakyo, Gohst
    G - Holtby, Smith (IR), Ramo, Ortio, Ullmark, Domingue
    Farm - Baertschi, W Nylander, K Kapanen, N Petan, J Vrana, N Scherbak, Senyshen

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    Default Re: Targetting Saad & Kreider

    Depends where the other guy is at. If he's rebuilding, I don't think you're going to get those young guys from him at all. If he's contending, then you have a shot, and that offer seems like a good starting point. Give him some nice solid win now pieces, it's not a lowball, but I'm not sure it will get it done. I say give it a try and see where it goes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by UKflames View Post
    So I would like some input on this offer that I am thinking of sending, am I crazy to think this will get through, am I over paying or low balling, all input appreciated.

    My E Staal, Iginla, R Suter & Voynov
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    His Kreider, Saad & Nichushkin

    If you want to change any of the players this is for the league in my sig.
    I think you are giving up way too much, honestly!
    Why don't you start with Staal and Iginla and see what happens!

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    Quote Originally Posted by dooley89 View Post
    I think you are giving up way too much, honestly!
    Why don't you start with Staal and Iginla and see what happens!
    I'd disagree a little bit. How many good years do we really have left in Iginla? Staal is slowly trending downwards, Voynov hasn't progressed the way many (including me) thought he would. If He could swing that I think it's a very solid deal.
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    Quote Originally Posted by UKflames View Post
    Hi BomBastic, thanks for coming back again with a bit more clarity, I wasn't sure if the first answe was rushed or drink induced
    Both...I was out of beer.
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    Default Re: Targetting Saad & Kreider

    Thank you all, I will send the offer and let you know how I get on.
    12 Team H2H keeper league (Keep 20+7) Rebuild Mode engaged
    (G, A, +/-,PIM,PPP,SHP,GWG & SOG. W,GAA,SV% & SHO) Daily changes
    C -Crosby, E Staal, Schwartz(LW), Scheifele, Bjugstad, Eichel, Konecny
    LW - JVR, C Soderberg (C), Burakovsky, Roussel, Z Girgensons (C)
    RW - Vorachek, Nichuskin, Hudler, Pastrnak (RW), Ferland (LW), Pirri
    D - D Hamilton, Trouba, Streit, Bogosian, Parakyo, Gohst
    G - Holtby, Smith (IR), Ramo, Ortio, Ullmark, Domingue
    Farm - Baertschi, W Nylander, K Kapanen, N Petan, J Vrana, N Scherbak, Senyshen

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    Default Re: Targetting Saad & Kreider

    Just bumping my thread to let those that helped on this offer know the outcome. Unfortunately the other manager declined as he was not looking to trade young players that are yet to hit their prime for players that have reached or past their prime, so it was a no go. This seems to be the feeling across my league, most of the managers will not move younger players (I guess I don't either), old is bad young is good.

    Thanks for the help though.

    I still want to change up my team, just for someone else to follow if nothing else, so the search for a trade goes on.
    12 Team H2H keeper league (Keep 20+7) Rebuild Mode engaged
    (G, A, +/-,PIM,PPP,SHP,GWG & SOG. W,GAA,SV% & SHO) Daily changes
    C -Crosby, E Staal, Schwartz(LW), Scheifele, Bjugstad, Eichel, Konecny
    LW - JVR, C Soderberg (C), Burakovsky, Roussel, Z Girgensons (C)
    RW - Vorachek, Nichuskin, Hudler, Pastrnak (RW), Ferland (LW), Pirri
    D - D Hamilton, Trouba, Streit, Bogosian, Parakyo, Gohst
    G - Holtby, Smith (IR), Ramo, Ortio, Ullmark, Domingue
    Farm - Baertschi, W Nylander, K Kapanen, N Petan, J Vrana, N Scherbak, Senyshen

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