In a keeper league where only pts count who would you rather have ?
In a keeper league where only pts count who would you rather have ?
Jones easy. I like Trouba but feel Jones is on a different level
12 Team HTH Keeper
(F's G=1 A=1, D G=1 A=1, All Skaters PPG=.5, SHG=.5 Goalies W=2 SO=3)
Dress 8 F, 4 D, 2 G weekly
F's-Ovie, Datsyuk, Zetterberg, Voracek, Ryan, Vanek, Semin, Hossa, ROR, Burns, Granlund, Kuznetsov, Bjugstad, Tarasenko, Kucherov, Gadreau
D-Byfuglien, Subban, Wiz, Campbell, Barrie, Carlson, Brodin
G- Niemi, Miller, Holtby, Gibson, Backstrom, Khudobin
10/11, 12/13 Champs
Seth Jones is just on another tier than Trouba. Jones has more offensive potential to tap into. Both are absolute future studs in multi-cat leagues, BUT in a points-only league Seth Jones is the way to go.
Jones by a wide margin, he will play top minutes next season where as Trouba is going to be in tough to find minutes in WPG.
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16 Team Full Keeper, Points Only Salary Cap League, Min roster 54 players, dress 9F/5D/2G/3RF/2RD/1RG per week
Forwards: Crosby, Tavares, Weiss, Ennis, Havlat, Oshie, Erat, Henrique, Jones, Foigno, R.Bourque, PM Bouchard, Legwand, Schroeder, B.Sutter
Defense: Wisneiwski, J.Johnson, Kulikov, Fowler, Salo, Myers, R.Ellis
Goalies: Niemi, Luongo, Thomas, Ramo
Really like Trouba but give me Jones.
Points only keeper league
Weekly line up: 12 F / 6 D / 2 G
Goalie stats: W=2 / SO=2
Call me a contrarian here, but I'll take Trouba. I realize we haven't exactly seen a whole hell of a lot from him (either of these guys really), but from what I've seen -- specifically the past WJC tournament -- it appeared to me that not only is Seth Jones not on another tier, but that Trouba may be the better all-around player.
I don't doubt that Jones has a higher offensive upside, but Jacob Trouba absolutely dominated during the WJCs, and to me his game projects directly to the NHL game. Lest we forget that Trouba has a booming shot from the point (like Jones), can QB a PP (like Jones), and seems to me at least to be the better defensive asset right now.
Balancing the risk/reward, give me Trouba. He seems like more of a sure thing to me. That's not to say Jones doesn't have the higher upside, but I like Trouba here.
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12 Team H2H Keeper (Keep 18)
3C, 3LW, 3RW, 3F, 6D, 2G, 5BN (IR)
G, A, +/-, PIM, PPP, SHP, SOG, FW (Hits 2014-15) // W, Sv%, GAA, SHO
C: Getzlaf, Backstrom, Thornton, Kadri, B.Richards
LW: Parise, Hall, Kunitz, Hartnell
RW: Kessel, Neal(LW), MacKinnon, Hossa, Backes(C)
D: Karlsson, Chara, Trouba, Burns, Krug, Boyle, Visnovsky
G: Rinne, M. Smith
Bn: Grabovski, Gallagher
Farm: Kuznetsov, Nelson, Jurco, Samuelsson, Barber - Maatta - Lack, Grubauer
Points only keeper League, weekly head to head, 2RW, 2LW, 2C, 4D, 1 G , (goalies 2pts for W +3 for SO)
LW: Skinner, J Neal, MacArthur, Drouin
C: Seguin, Huberdeau, Grabovski, Schenn
RW: Eberle, Tarasenko, Ryan
D: Carlson, Ekman-Larsson, Krug, Hamonic, Leddy, Brodin
G: Price , Thomas
Jones is the bigger name right now, but I don't think there is a huge difference, and if you guys say that Jones is in another tier offense-wise, then you have to remember he's in Nashville. Sure, Weber gets some decent amount of points, but it's not a scoring hotbed, it's the opposite. My guess is Jones will be a perennial 30 something point guy for a few years and then maybe go above the 40s when he becomes the number 1 guy. Trouba has a better situation by far. One, they're unhappy with the Big Buff drama in the 'Peg. Bogosian is more of a two-way guy, and Enstrom is solid and makes anyone better. I say Trouba here. Just my gut and for the reasons above.
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Team 1:10 Multi-Cat Roto league
C- Malkin,Giroux,Thornton Galchenyuk, Schenn, Berglund, Eller
LW- Hall,Ovechkin, E.Kane Saad
RW- Seguin, Stewart, PAP
D- Subban,Phaneuf Keith, OEL, Hedman,
G- Pavelec,Hiller Lindback, Theodore, Lehner
Team 2:24 H2H League Multi-Cat
C- Weiss, Galchenyuk, Desharnais, Vitale
LW- Parise, Bailey, Torres, King, Bissonnette
RW- Ovechkin, Clowe, Asham, Gagner
D- Boyle, Klesla, Souray, Hjalmarsson, Niskanen, Hickey, Lovejoy, Potter
Jones without a doubt. Stepping into the dance right off the bat and onto a top D pairing and PP unit perhaps. Better raw, offensive skills and nasty shot.
[Skaters] G=2, A=1, PP/SH= +1, GWG= +2, Shootout G=1, Hat Trick Bonus= +1 / [*D-Men /Captain Bonus]: G=3/A=2
[Goalies] W=3, OTL=1, SO= +2, SV= .10
Start = 13F, 6D, 2G /Keep 42 [3G Max]
[F] Giroux, Perry, Kopitar, Neal, Backstrom, J.Benn, St.Louis, E.Staal, Spezza, R.Nash, Eberle, Vanek, B.Ryan, Jagr, Doan, Ryder, Lucic, JvR, Landeskog, Huberdeau, Gallagher, Tarasenko, Mi.Granlund, Barkov, Toffoli, Armia, Teravainen
[*D] Karlsson, P.Subban, Yandle, Pietrangelo, Shattenkirk, R.Suter, Doughty, M.Green, Krug, D.Hamilton, Maatta, Vatanen, M.Rielly, R.Whitney, Ristolainen, D.Pouliot, S.Theodore
[G] Rask, Price, M.Smith, J.Bernier, Halak
Trouba has long been one of my favourite prospects but this is not even close imho. Jones all day. Kid is on another level and seems pissed he dropped in the draft, I expect him to come flying out of the gate this year. I fully expect big numbers from him right away while he is not burdened with handling the tough minutes ala Doughty, phaneuf
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Can't say who is better than the two as I haven't really seen much of either. Trouba seems to project as a two-way, Staal type down the road
No way does Trouba project as a Staal-type player now. He didn't look out of place playing against men at the WC, manning the PP, among other things. He didn't play a major role, but he looked good.
I don't know much about the USHL, but Trouba and Jones both played two seasons in that league, and in his second season Trouba jumped to 4G, 18P in 22GP, while Jones' had 4G, 12P in 22 games. I don't know if we can read too much into that, as I have no idea what the teams were like, etc. but it's worth noting.
I have a hard time giving a firm answer, as I haven't watch Jones play all that much, but I disagree that Jones is on whole other level. Both are amazing players, and I'm excited to see how they do this year. I will say that Jones having Weber to shelter him on the ice and teach him is a major boon to his career.
Marc Staal, Jared Cowen, etc. all put up junior points. Let's see how Trouba fares in the pros. Guys like him will always put up the points against boys.
Again though I am not giving a true opinion of him as I have barely seen the guy in action.