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    I need a goalie bad. I've worked my butt off to get something done prior to the draft and then into the early early season. I finally have an offer I'm considering. Team and scoring cats are in sig. What do you guys think?

    I give Moulson and Clarkson and my 8th
    I get Smith and his 5th

    My thoughts: I can replace Moulson, minimal hit. Clarkson is a different story. However, with what I have in net now I am extremely vulnerable. Injury or poor play from either Rask or Lindback and I'm pretty much toast. I'm giving up a lot, but I'm getting a pretty solid Goalie back and I certainly have the need. I'm inclined to do this.

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    If you can spare the offence then I think you might not have a choice here. I'm not a big fan of Smith and would look for a cheaper goalie option elsewhere but with 2 goalie starts, you do need an insurance policy here.
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    Never easy to get a goalie not sold on smith yet but it is what u gotta do.
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    It's a very fair trade.
    I'm personally more fond of investing in skaters... and I don't overpay for a goalie who had a really good year.

    I'd probably decline this trade.

    Is this a daily-start league?
    You might be able to simply stream in back-up goalies (Nilstorp, Harding, etc.) to supplement Rask's stats. I think it will be one of those strange fantasy hockey seasons where you don't need TWO upper tier goalies to win a league.

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    thats actually not a terrible price imo given the size of your league
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    Seems like most are on the same page I am, not a great deal I win hands down, but, perhaps fair. It fills a hole I've got with my Tendies. Pengwin, it's not a daily start league if I understand what that actually means. You have a set roster, you determine the guys you play day by day. But your lineup is set, want to add a guy, it's either trade or a FA. If your going to have success in the goalie scoring stats, you have to roll three goalies or get awfully damn lucky and have two guys stay healthy, play the majority of games and put up good numbers. Anyone else??
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bubba55 View Post
    I need a goalie bad. I've worked my butt off to get something done prior to the draft and then into the early early season. I finally have an offer I'm considering. Team and scoring cats are in sig. What do you guys think?

    I give Moulson and Clarkson and my 8th
    I get Smith and his 5th

    My thoughts: I can replace Moulson, minimal hit. Clarkson is a different story. However, with what I have in net now I am extremely vulnerable. Injury or poor play from either Rask or Lindback and I'm pretty much toast. I'm giving up a lot, but I'm getting a pretty solid Goalie back and I certainly have the need. I'm inclined to do this.

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    If I werr you, I'd either ride it out or target a different goalie - someone who has multiple years of success under their belt. Goalies are tricky, even when they make it to the NHL. Look at Cory Crawford.
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    What other Goalies are available in the WW? I know in a few of the pools that I am in, Ward has been dropped after the first night debacle.
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    Here is the problem. 13 teams and all are carrying at least 3 goalies and most teams 4. There are no starters available, few backups, like 3. All the rest are NA. There are no cookies in the cookie Jar! When I said I had a problem, I wasn't kidding. So, maybe this helps your evaluation, not sure. BTW, Goldman is pretty high on Smith and Dobber has him ranked 12 and Justin has him 11. This is encouraging...yes?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bubba55 View Post
    Here is the problem. 13 teams and all are carrying at least 3 goalies and most teams 4. There are no starters available, few backups, like 3. All the rest are NA. There are no cookies in the cookie Jar! When I said I had a problem, I wasn't kidding. So, maybe this helps your evaluation, not sure. BTW, Goldman is pretty high on Smith and Dobber has him ranked 12 and Justin has him 11. This is encouraging...yes?
    He may be your only choice. I'm just saying I would make a pitch elsewhere, if possible. Again, we're only going off of 1 really good year. There's mo track-record with Smith. No one can say fir sure that he can be relied upon. And if you're trying to sure up your goalie situation, you should PREFERIBLY do so with a goalie who has multiple years of success.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bubba55 View Post
    Here is the problem. 13 teams and all are carrying at least 3 goalies and most teams 4. There are no starters available, few backups, like 3. All the rest are NA. There are no cookies in the cookie Jar! When I said I had a problem, I wasn't kidding. So, maybe this helps your evaluation, not sure. BTW, Goldman is pretty high on Smith and Dobber has him ranked 12 and Justin has him 11. This is encouraging...yes?

    As a keeper move, it's a fine trade.
    I just think it hurts you for this year.

    But I forecast that Mike Smith will sign a nice contract with either:
    a) Toronto
    b) Minnesota
    c) Detroit

    All three have expiring goalie contracts.
    Smith's contract ends this summer and I think he'll sign with a Northern team (given that his wife is a former pro-snow-skiier).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pengwin7 View Post
    As a keeper move, it's a fine trade.
    I just think it hurts you for this year.

    But I forecast that Mike Smith will sign a nice contract with either:
    a) Toronto
    b) Minnesota
    c) Detroit

    All three have expiring goalie contracts.
    Smith's contract ends this summer and I think he'll sign with a Northern team (given that his wife is a former pro-snow-skiier).
    if bryz has another bad year mike smith might not be able to sign anywhere but phoenix

    sooner or later someone is going to figure out what is going on

    nah what am i thinking they never learn
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    Jeez, thanks Lucifer! That was inspiring!! Insert a Happy Face!!

    This is a keeper league and I guess before pulling the trigger, I am definately looking at it that way as well as winning this thing this year. I'm giving up two quality forwards, but look at my team and my bench strength, guys like Roy, Innis, my rookies if they role, and Berglund. This should make up the difference if the stars all align. Big question, is Smith a keeper? I'll come back to this again, Goldman is extremley high on this guy. If the Pengwin is right, please not TO, does Goldman's evaluation of Smith's talent and a gig in Motor City or Minny next year not make you drool?

    I'm really inclined to do this. I may try and work the drafts a bit. Smith is off to a brutal start BTW, but will this continue? He hasn't played, the rust is huge, will he shake it? More questions! My sense is that he will, there is some weird stuff going on so far and as the season settles in to normalcy (is that a word Darkster?) things will fall into place.

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    no problem thats what i am here for to throw cold water on your hopes and dreams
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