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    Quote Originally Posted by Jimmy Splitz View Post
    Who you got, keeper league?
    Welcome to the Forum!! Best thing to do is post your roster and league info in your sig for reference so guys can help with questions


    Jamie Benn!!

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    There are guys who create offense, and then there are guys who benefit from those guys.

    Benn makes the players around him better.

    Neal is the benificiary of Malkins great season.

    Take Benn

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    Unless goals are worth a premium in your league I'd go with Benn also
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    Perhaps should be noted that I have Malkin. Super torn.. 2 trades that I could persue, one for Neal and one for Benn.

    Niemi for Benn

    Lindback, Peverley and Horton for Neal, Markov and Strome
    19 team keeper points league - Keepers - 3 F, 2 D, 1 G, 2 "rookies" (under 164 games F, under 82 games G)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jimmy Splitz View Post
    Perhaps should be noted that I have Malkin. Super torn.. 2 trades that I could persue, one for Neal and one for Benn.

    Niemi for Benn

    Lindback, Peverley and Horton for Neal, Markov and Strome
    It would be nice to know what your roster looks like. I was going to suggest taking both trades until I realized that might really harm your goaltending situation.
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    LW- JVR,Hudler,M.Richards,Zetterberg
    RW- Backes,Giroux,Kessel,Lupul
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    G- Miller,Hiller,Crawford
    BN- Robidas,Havlat,Clarkson,Bogosian

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    Should also be noted that I'm looking to move one of my goalies for a stud forward. I drafted a goalie high to trade. Also have Halak and Bernier. I dont really want to trade Linback as he will have rookie keeper status going into next year, so I'm leaning toward the Benn trade
    19 team keeper points league - Keepers - 3 F, 2 D, 1 G, 2 "rookies" (under 164 games F, under 82 games G)

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    Initially looking at the question, I was going to say Benn due to the point driver/benefactor argument posted above. You always want the driver. Looking at those trades I definitely choose Benn. To be honest I don't even like the Neal trade. Not knowing how your point system works, as long as Horton is healthy he is only a minor downgrade from Neal, and I hate any deal involving Markov. Dude is a perpetual injury machine and old. Do the Benn deal, renegotiate the Neal trade or leave it on the table.
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    Stats: G(3), A(2), +/-, PIM(0.5), PPP(2), SHP(3), GWG(2), SOG (0.1), HITS(0.1), BLKS(0.2), W(3), OTL (1), GA(-1), SV(0.2), SO(3)

    C: Crosby, Seguin (C/RW), Pavelski (C/RW), Datsyuk, Nugent-Hopkins, Bonino, Zajac
    LW: Parise, Benn (LW/C), Hall, Skinner, Toffoli (RW/LW/C)
    RW: Perry, Wheeler, Hemsky, Bennett
    D: Doughty, Kronwall, Byfuglien, Josi
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    Neal for me. I would take him over Benn anyday.

    As for your trades, I would do both if you can.
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    Neal over Benn without question for me as well. Wether Benn creates his own offence is irrelevant in their current situations.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shakedown View Post
    Welcome to the Forum!! Best thing to do is post your roster and league info in your sig for reference so guys can help with questions


    Jamie Benn!!


    That's a huge AFFIRMATIVE on both counts. WELCOME to Dobberland. Enjoy the rides.
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    I think Jamie Benn is a better hockey player than James Neal, but right now as it stands James Neal is a better fantasy option than Jamie Benn. While Benn makes those around him better, and Neal is the benificiary of Malkin's great play, it doesn't change the fact that I would rather have Neal on my fantasy team.

    On top of the fact that I think Neal is the better fantasy option, I feel like the trade to acquire Neal is a better trade than the one for Benn.

    Niemi is a better goalie than Lindback, or at least in a better situation to put up fantasy points. Which makes the Neal trade much more appealing, on top of the fact that I think Neal is better. Losing Peverly and Horton is tough one to swallow in a 19 team league, but you have the depth that prevents it from being a big deal, and you get another nice piece in Strome who you can keep on as a rookie.

    Easy decision to go with Neal.

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    I'd do both trades.
    With Malkin, Benn, Neal you're unstoppable.

    Goalies often come out of nowhere. What FA Goalies are on the waiver wire?
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    i like neal better but id do both trades.
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    I prefer Benn. I think he has yet to hit his upside while Neal may have over achieved a little last year due to Malkin. I sense that in a couple years Benn may be VERY hard to acquire.

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