Suter vs McDonnagh

[Seeds of Grapes]

Points only, who do you take/keep?

I leaning toward McDonnagh

[VincentVega]

I like McDonagh as well. I think we're gonna see him step it up a level. 50+ points.

[Pengwin7]

Suter for me.
MIN PP will be dope this year.
29 PPP for Suter on the PP. Add to 24 ESP for a total of 53pts.
Career year thanks to the emerging Granlund and added Vanek.

[Laendarian]

I think I'd go McDonagh, feel like he may have a bit more to give offensively from what we've seen.

[Axeman33]

Ryan Suter for me as well but if I have to guess, I wont be surprised if they arent 5 pts apart at the end of the year.

[LadySlugs]

I would go with Suter on this one - I think MIN will have a big year.

[lucifer316]

Suter is a safe 40-45 point player, there might be more there in a career year but those are the numbers that you can realistically count on

McD isn't quite safe there yet, especially with Boyle cutting into some of his work over the next couple of seasons

I think that McD is probably closer to 40 with Boyle in the mix and 45-50 upside with no Boyle in the mix

they are so close IMO that there is no wrong answer, so I guess cut loose the guy you think you have the best chance of getting back

[Dutch]

mcdonagh, especially now that suter's dad passed away.

that could be a big factor. I remember when Shea Weber's mom passed, he had an absolute shit year.

[VincentVega]

Suter is a safe 40-45 point player, there might be more there in a career year but those are the numbers that you can realistically count on

McD isn't quite safe there yet, especially with Boyle cutting into some of his work over the next couple of seasons

I think that McD is probably closer to 40 with Boyle in the mix and 45-50 upside with no Boyle in the mix

they are so close IMO that there is no wrong answer, so I guess cut loose the guy you think you have the best chance of getting back

I don't think Boyle takes anything away from McDonagh. They'll likely both be on the top PP for this year at least. McDonagh's offensive potential has been unleashed now that Torts is no longer in NY. He is a stud and definitely has another level offensively. To only expect 40 points is seriously undervaluing him.

[vitun-tyhmä]

I don't think Boyle takes anything away from McDonagh. They'll likely both be on the top PP for this year at least. McDonagh's offensive potential has been unleashed now that Torts is no longer in NY. He is a stud and definitely has another level offensively. To only expect 40 points is seriously undervaluing him.

But the other thing to consider is that McD is a much better 2-way defenseman, so who would you rather give the more sheltered mins too (including the PP time)? The 38 year old vet who's lost a step but excels as a PP QB or the guy who can play excellent shut down hockey and log huge mins? 43 pts was a big career year for McD, Suter does that with his eyes closed, give me Suter in this case, he's the proven entity. I agree though that they'll probably wind up pretty close in pts

[lucifer316]

I don't think Boyle takes anything away from McDonagh. They'll likely both be on the top PP for this year at least. McDonagh's offensive potential has been unleashed now that Torts is no longer in NY. He is a stud and definitely has another level offensively. To only expect 40 points is seriously undervaluing him.

McDonagh's scoring doesn't come from the PP, it comes from even strength and I fully expect the amount of sheltering that Boyle will get will cut into some of McD's offensive zone starts

[VincentVega]

But the other thing to consider is that McD is a much better 2-way defenseman, so who would you rather give the more sheltered mins too (including the PP time)? The 38 year old vet who's lost a step but excels as a PP QB or the guy who can play excellent shut down hockey and log huge mins? 43 pts was a big career year for McD, Suter does that with his eyes closed, give me Suter in this case, he's the proven entity. I agree though that they'll probably wind up pretty close in pts

McDonagh's scoring doesn't come from the PP, it comes from even strength and I fully expect the amount of sheltering that Boyle will get will cut into some of McD's offensive zone starts

McDonagh will be relied on both offensively and defensively big time. I think it's a mistake to think of last year as an anomaly since prior to last year he had Torts yelling at him for thinking offensively. I see last year as the beginning of his ascent to the top of d-men in the league. He was already excellent defensively and now his offence will flourish.

I wouldn't assume Boyle is paired with McDonagh EV all the time or that the points McDanagh got last year were the result of high offensive starts since they actually were not. McDanagh's offensive starts were not that high.

[lucifer316]

first of all I never said last year was an anomaly the fact that I said that he is around 40, which 43 is btw, with Boyle and 45-50 without Boyle should have made it evident that I didn't see it as an anomaly

second nobody said anything about Boyle being paired with McD at even strength or that McD had a high number of offensive starts last season, what I said was that because Boyle will need to be sheltered that will cut into some of McD's offensive zone starts

you are going to town on the strawman here because what you are arguing doesn't remotely resemble what I said

[VincentVega]

first of all I never said last year was an anomaly the fact that I said that he is around 40, which 43 is btw, with Boyle and 45-50 without Boyle should have made it evident that I didn't see it as an anomaly

second nobody said anything about Boyle being paired with McD at even strength or that McD had a high number of offensive starts last season, what I said was that because Boyle will need to be sheltered that will cut into some of McD's offensive zone starts

you are going to town on the strawman here because what you are arguing doesn't remotely resemble what I said

Who's arguing? Anyway, you believe that McDonagh's points will suffer because Boyle will be given the offensive starts that McDonagh got/would have gotten this year? I'm not sure I agree with this. Again, have a look at McDonagh's offensive zone starts from last year; too lazy to look it up but I remember seeing a chart and his name wasn't anywhere near the top. So it's not his offensive zone starts that contributed to his success last year. With Boyle or without Boyle, he should have no problem getting 50. I think your projection of 40 with Boyle is much too low.

[lucifer316]

Who's arguing? Anyway, you believe that McDonagh's points will suffer because Boyle will be given the offensive starts that McDonagh got/would have gotten this year? I'm not sure I agree with this. Again, have a look at McDonagh's offensive zone starts from last year; too lazy to look it up but I remember seeing a chart and his name wasn't anywhere near the top. So it's not his offensive zone starts that contributed to his success last year. With Boyle or without Boyle, he should have no problem getting 50. I think your projection of 40 with Boyle is much too low.

it doesn't matter if his offensive zone starts were high or not, the fact is they will go down and when they go down his production is going to take a slight hit as a result

again I never said he had a high number of offensive zone starts I don't know why you keep posting as if I did

I honestly don't see how expecting numbers similar to last season now that an offensive defenseman has been added to the mix is much too low