Reply With QuoteMarty St. Louis for me for sure.
I would roll the dice on malkin.
Marty St. Louis for me for sure.
After reading the differences I think if it is a snake draft you hope to not draft in that 4th/5th sopt. You get the top 3 pick you are golden, but after that you could get the same guy with a 7-9 pick that you would with the 4th.
I think I would roll with Malkin. Last year there was so much hype about him and Stall playing together, then they were both injured, but if he comes back strong and healthy it is worth it.
On the flip side, Stamkos is a decent line mate as well.
Yeah, he's ok. Nowhere near as good as someone like Patrik Stefan, but I guess he'll get the job doneOriginally Posted by Ritchierich
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k1Z9UspUHqg
85 points might sound like a 'safe' pick, but 'safe' in this case does not really equal settling for less. I really doubt there are ANY players who can match that consistency over that period of time. If you don't want to draft a surefire 90 point player (thats what hes had the last two years) who plays on one of the best powerplays in the league, be my guest.
You want to go big or go home? I suggest you take all the breakout candidates you can once all of the elite players are off the table - THAT'S where you win your pool. Trust me, if you eff up the first round, you won't come in first place. Even the stupidest poolie can pick a stud in the first round. Pick a known commodity here, then outdo your opponents later on in the draft. I have won 4/6 of my pools in the last six years with this philosophy.
I'm telling you right now, forget about St Louis' size and his age. Neither variable has had any effect on him up to this point.
Last edited by pmorrow; August 7, 2011 at 11:08 PM.
A real man takes Malkin and loses him half way through the season and still wins his pool.
i originally said Malkin, but i gotta change my tune and go St Louis. In a no keeper league St Louis has a greater change of out pointing him.
If Malkin misses 10 games, whcih is likely, then St Louis out points him.
My original premise was Malkin has more trade value but when do you trade your 1st round pick?
UFHP - Y! 12 GMs - 23/8 pro/farm - keep 17 + all farm
G, A, +/-, PIM, PPP, SHP, GWG, SOG, Hits, FW; GS, W, L, GA, GAA, SA, SV, SV%, SHO
C: Backstrom, Crosby, Little, Zetterberg, Rask
LW: Foligno, Ehlers, Skinner, Hartnell, Jokinen, Ladd
RW: Tarasenko, Kessel, Nash, Marner
D: Keith, Karlsson, Klingberg, Werenski, Barrie, Manson
G: Price, Murray, Andersen
Farm:
C: Keller
LW: Fiala, Heinen
RW: Gurianov
D: Sergachev, Beaulieu, Manning, Borowiecki
G: Forsberg, Driedger
Take Malkin.
Wait say 15 games.
Trade the Malkin who's on pace for 110 points for the safe St.Louis and then some.
Or take Malkin and hope he stays healthy.
Either way the right move is to take Malkin and play the Market from about November in and sell as high as you can.
Pool A
G, A, +/-, PM, PPG, SHG W L T SO SV% GAA
Cap 80,375,000
Center: Backstrom, Giroux, Stepan, Spezza
Wing: Ovechkin, Hall, Kessell, Nash, Voracek, Landeskog, Huberdeau, Schwartz
Defence: Karlsson, Goligoski, Schultz, Barrie, Gardiner, Smith
Goalie : Lundqvist, Dubnyk, Lehner
Farm: Monohan, Bjugstad, Shinkaruk, Horvat, Killorn, Rattie
Pool B
G, A, PTS, +/-, Hits, GWG W SO GAA SV%
Cap 80,375,000
F: Ovechkin, Kessell, Lupol, Backstrom, Giroux, Stepan, JvR, Forsburg, Landeskog, Etem, Eakin, Saad
D: Green, Letand, Staal, McDonaugh, Faulk, Barrie
G: Lundqvist, Halak
Bench: Lecavalier, Grabovski
Farm: Shinkaruk, Lindholm, Larsson, Gardiner, Visetin
Um...
It isn't a salary pool right? Because that seriously changes the dynamic here.
Pool A
G, A, +/-, PM, PPG, SHG W L T SO SV% GAA
Cap 80,375,000
Center: Backstrom, Giroux, Stepan, Spezza
Wing: Ovechkin, Hall, Kessell, Nash, Voracek, Landeskog, Huberdeau, Schwartz
Defence: Karlsson, Goligoski, Schultz, Barrie, Gardiner, Smith
Goalie : Lundqvist, Dubnyk, Lehner
Farm: Monohan, Bjugstad, Shinkaruk, Horvat, Killorn, Rattie
Pool B
G, A, PTS, +/-, Hits, GWG W SO GAA SV%
Cap 80,375,000
F: Ovechkin, Kessell, Lupol, Backstrom, Giroux, Stepan, JvR, Forsburg, Landeskog, Etem, Eakin, Saad
D: Green, Letand, Staal, McDonaugh, Faulk, Barrie
G: Lundqvist, Halak
Bench: Lecavalier, Grabovski
Farm: Shinkaruk, Lindholm, Larsson, Gardiner, Visetin
If the market value of Malkin is that similar to St Louis, then why not just draft St Louis?
If Malkin has a bad start like he did this past year, the owner of MSL isn't going to budge.
Last edited by pmorrow; August 7, 2011 at 11:17 PM.
Hey morrow, the statement was St.Louis + (and then some), for me if you're even debating between two players and you can get 1 + something for the other then its a win. You still end up with the guy you were thinking about and you end up with change in your pocket. The amount will be determined by how well you can deal.
Hell you might even be able to take Malkin in the draft then immediately flip him for the next pick and a late pick.
To me I take Malkin. Then i work the room.
Pool A
G, A, +/-, PM, PPG, SHG W L T SO SV% GAA
Cap 80,375,000
Center: Backstrom, Giroux, Stepan, Spezza
Wing: Ovechkin, Hall, Kessell, Nash, Voracek, Landeskog, Huberdeau, Schwartz
Defence: Karlsson, Goligoski, Schultz, Barrie, Gardiner, Smith
Goalie : Lundqvist, Dubnyk, Lehner
Farm: Monohan, Bjugstad, Shinkaruk, Horvat, Killorn, Rattie
Pool B
G, A, PTS, +/-, Hits, GWG W SO GAA SV%
Cap 80,375,000
F: Ovechkin, Kessell, Lupol, Backstrom, Giroux, Stepan, JvR, Forsburg, Landeskog, Etem, Eakin, Saad
D: Green, Letand, Staal, McDonaugh, Faulk, Barrie
G: Lundqvist, Halak
Bench: Lecavalier, Grabovski
Farm: Shinkaruk, Lindholm, Larsson, Gardiner, Visetin
Hard to pass up on Malkin because of the sick upside, but MSL is a reliable, steady 85-95 point beast who plays a full 82. In a 1-year league I would still take Malkin but for next season St. Louis is probably the safer pick. But like others have said - screw safe, swing for the fences.
8-GM / WK-H2H
Forwards: G=2, A=1, PP/SH= +1, GWG= +2, Shootout G=1, HT= +1
D-Men/Captain: G=3/A=2
Goalies: W=3, OTL=1, SO= +2, SV= .10
Start = 13F, 6D, 2G / Keep 44 (3G)
Captain: Matthews
(F): MacKinnon, Pasta, Marner, Rantanen, Malkin, Barkov, M.Tkachuk, W.Nylander, Pettersson, Gaudreau, Laine, Keller, Miller, B.Tkachuk, Stutzle, DeBrincat, L.Raymond, K.Johnson, Cozens, Quinn, Guenther, Kulich, Cooley
(D): Makar, Dahlin, Q.Hughes, Ekblad, Rielly, Werenski, Letang, Jones, Chychrun, Seider, Edvinsson, Jiricek, Korchinski, Mintyukov, Ceulemans, Hutson
(G): Shesterkin, Demko, Vejmelka
In a one year, POINTS ONLY LEAGUE, I think you HAVE to take St. Louis. St. Louis is a LOCK for 90-95 points every single season. Malkin had a bad season last season, another "off" season before THAT, and now he's coming back from major surgery... PLUS, St. Louis is in a position with less depth. In a Points Only format, you really have got to take St. Louis.
Someone above summed it up well - best case scenario with Malkin, he beats St. Louis by about 10 points. Worst case he's below him by 30+.
St Louis
The whole 30+/10 argument doesn't really fly. What you're talking about is your first round pick in a points league. If you draft Malkin around 7 or 8 in a one-year league, and he explodes, you're the favorite to win your pool.
With St. Louis, you play it safe. And maybe now you've got a 1/10 or 1/8 chance of winning your pool. Two-four guys effed their first picks. But St. Louis' still not gonna set you apart.
Sure it's true that drafts are won in the later rounds and lost in the early rounds. Mostly. But snagging a 110+ guy mid to late in round one...gives you a big edge. If you think it's a coin flip on Malkin...I'd roll the dice. There's only one winner...
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