Proposal Help!

[Sharpie]

I need a hand proposing a trade to someone. He always says that my offers are one sided. Anyways here is his team:

C: Lecavalier, Sedin, Comrie
LW: Whitney, Kunitz, Kozlov(ATL)
RW: Williams, Recchi, Zubrus
D: Gonchar, Zubov, Meszaros, Beauchemin, Whitney
G: Price, Biron, Giguere

I am after his Kozlov and Giguere and I am having troubles seeing what a fair offer for these two would be. My team is in my signature. Thanks for the help!

[joos]

1. Ward/Cole/J.Staal for Kozlov/Giggy (Or Naslund instead of Cole)
2. Lundqvist for Kozlov/Giggy
3. Ward/Sykora/Naslund for Kozlov/Recchi/Giggy

just a few i thought up in a few seconds lol

[Sharpie]

He does want Sykora, as you can tell he is a pens fan. I might try working another deal before I try this guy. So far I have Ward for Fluery in a deal, waiting for the other pieces to work out.

[andrewklassen]

I\'d try Ward and Sykora for Giguere and Kozlov.

You could try Ward and Cole, but that seems a little low-ball.

Is this a keeper league, \'cause then Ward and J. Staal might also get you the two players.

If you have a deal in the works with Ward [for Fleury] and the guy you\'re trying to do this deal with likes the Pens you might try Leclaire, Sykora and J. Staal for Giguere and Kozlov. You could sell the fact that Hitchcock coached teams tend to have good goaltending stats.

Just some thoughts!

[Sharpie]

That was one of the trade I tried, he said he didn\'t need Staal since his C are so strong.

I am really trying to upgrade my D a little at this point. Right now I have an offer out which looks like this,

HIS: MA Fluery and McCabe
MY: Ward and Carle

Thoughts?

[joos]

Getting the deal above would be a stretch. In my eyes its a low ball. Fleury over Ward and McCabe over Carle. This is not saying Ward and Carle will not do good. Fleury should get 5-6 more wins than Ward, McCabe will get TONS more PIM than Carle and it seems PIM are pretty valuable. .5 for each 1min? or .5 for the 2 mins?

[Sharpie]

.5 per min, 1 point for 2 PIM.

The guy said
HIS: Chris Clark, McCabe, Fluery
MY: Sykora, Carle, Ward

This trade is alright but I don\'t like Clark at all. He also has Dumont should I propose the following?

HIS: Dumont, McCabe, Fluery
MY: Sykora, Carle, Ward

Which do you guys prefer? Am I being greedy or should I take the first one?

[joos]

wow a full points for PIM, is it just me or is that pretty good?

I like the deal, I would counter with Dumont. Clark has been demoted to the 3rd line but he does see time on the PP unit with Kozlov/AO I think but I would still ask for Dumont. If he rejects that, I think the deal with Clark is pretty good