Fitting Kuzmenko

[Belexus75]

Lmao- so when he gets 70 next year we can bump this again? Imagine patting yourself that hard on the back for something that boiled down to Tocchet changing his mind on the guy???

None of those trends came i nto play because he was buried on the 4th line, benched and then traded to a team that owed him even less than the Canucks did. What a stupendously self congratulatory take... but sure.. congratulations?

And the ostrich takes the head out of the sand once again!!!

Hi Emu!!!

[RizzeeDizzee]

Lmao- so when he gets 70 next year we can bump this again? Imagine patting yourself that hard on the back for something that boiled down to Tocchet changing his mind on the guy???

None of those trends came i nto play because he was buried on the 4th line, benched and then traded to a team that owed him even less than the Canucks did. What a stupendously self congratulatory take... but sure.. congratulations?

To this I only say "those who justify don't convince". He sure as heck didn't start on the 4th line, on either team. And my fearless forecast was for 2023-24 specifically, although if I had to predict things yet to come, I'd say they don't look good.

[RizzeeDizzee]

And the ostrich takes the head out of the sand once again!!!

Hi Emu!!!

And you can darn well bet he'd have resurrected this thread to rub my nose in it had I been wrong. In fact, he tried to do that after about the ten game mark, in the other thread that was bumped. Maybe a bit premature in hindsight?

[Belexus75]

we all have our opinions that are wrong and right nothing wrong with that...also Kuzmenko has been very disappointed. I did not expect goal scoring form last year but i did expect more balanced 60 points...now some think he is done in north America. I still think there is a useful NHL player and 10-15 Forward for good fantasy teams but we will see....he did get Hoglander treatment this year which did not help but at same point you dont get bench if you do things right...

[RizzeeDizzee]

we all have our opinions that are wrong and right nothing wrong with that...also Kuzmenko has been very disappointed. I did not expect goal scoring form last year but i did expect more balanced 60 points...now some think he is done in north America. I still think there is a useful NHL player and 10-15 Forward for good fantasy teams but we will see....he did get Hoglander treatment this year which did not help but at same point you dont get bench if you do things right...

Fair points and well stated. Time will tell. I don't wish failure upon him at all by the way.

[random-d]

And? One guy is banned and you're a prominent writer here-you want a win- there's your win- lmao! But trying to spin it as something you called is just... disengenuous. Did he get to the 4th line because his shooting percentage went back to its median like you said? Did he get there before he finished the season with an IPP of exactly 70 which is your own stated benchmark? If you actually read this post- and I did so others don't have on't have to- im not sure this is the victory lap you think it is- all.im saying....

Everything that RD stated in the post you quoted above is based on statistical evidence and as far as I can tell you're now saying that because he also had other issues that caused him to get less opportunity that that somehow supersedes all the other reasons and therefore those aren't also valid concerns... You're basically pointing at a fire next to a bunch of other fires and saying "this is the one that's the problem, not those, because this fire is going to burn up all the stuff the others would have burned". How in the world of sound rational thought does that make any sense? Either way you're left with a fire that ends up leaving you with nothing.

[GinFizz]

This post reminds me of this classic scene.....

[random-d]

Emu is an archetype of fantasy fan that only solicits other people's thoughts as an opportunity to promote their own.

[DangerCat]

Anyone who seen his shooting percentage last year knew he would regress I mean it’s common sense. Perhaps not to the point he did this year, but nonetheless that he would. I was never a big believer in Kuzmemko nor did I jump on the bandwagon. I believed going forward he would be a 50-60 point guy with 25 goals. I think RD hit the prediction with a bullseye so I’m not sure about the hostility. Kuzmemko was never going to be a 100 point guy. He came back down to earth, perhaps harder than I thought this season and the majority of people knew it!

[Belexus75]

Or dont- lol! I'm not even trying to win an argument at this point- Im just in a very competetive league and I can't afford to pass on assets in that range because its trendy. Ill admit there have been some compelling points made but there has also been a lot of digital ink spent on "data" that just isn't imho. My honest take is that when you get a player like this or a fabian Brunnstrom or a Vadim Shupachev- some GMs will avoid them because they want to.mitigate their risk and some people will be intrigued. Usually the "playing it safe crowd" wims- its an easy call to make. But sometimes you get a dadonov or a panarin- and my whole point is that for me- its worth doing due diligence and giving them a fair shake.

Sorry if my above comment about the writers establishing sounds adversarial, condescending or rude. Its just an oopinion...

are you trying to get another account bannned? If so, you are on a right track…

[RizzeeDizzee]

Little did we know that all it'd take for Kuzmenko to awaken would be me gloating...lol. As I said, I never had it in for him, I was just going by the numbers. Perhaps in the end there will be takeaways from both sides of the coin in this case. But if he proves me wrong, I'm fully prepared to own it just as I was when it looked like I was well on my way to being prescient.

[Belexus75]

Well you need to either let go of the numbers or make decisions combined with watching the action imo. Numbers by themself dont always give you full story imo.

I dont think you had anything to do with him waking up. Trade did. Last year he had great deployment in Vancouver this year he was put down the line up probably due to ok but not great defensive play overall. If you watch him skate he tries to cheat offensively a bit. Move to first line in CGY helped to restore offensive skill that was always there.

Jury is out if he can be successful on the good team where he needs to be more defensively responsible...time will tell but i watching him this and last year, offensive talent is there...no question. I think last years goal total was a bit of a fluke but point total was not.

[tweetdrivr]

He had that opportunity in Vancouver and they shipped him out. Teams don’t want incomplete players anymore.

[RizzeeDizzee]

Here though we see in him that he's doing this well without EP40. That is meaningful. Yes, it's "garbage time" where the games don't matter and he's playing alongside Kadri, who, in case you haven't noticed, is having one hell of a season; but players who can put up 9 goals and 9 assists in 17 games, with more than half those points on the PP, are going to be given long leashes. It is possible that Kuzmenko does another disappearing act in 2024-25, as I haven't looked closely at his 2023-24 numbers as yet. But things went from bleak to dare I say promising quite quickly, as in the NHL it's all about what have you done for me lately, and he's done a lot.