Leftover players vs 2015 draft class

[Brosive]

My draft is coming up soon and i have picks 6, and 16 as my early selections
Its for league 1 in my sig

I'm assuming the top 4 will go Connor McDavid, Jack Eichel, Dylan Strome, and Mitch Marner so we'll leave these guys out of the discussion.

so my question would be how would you rank these players with eachother?
I've included the most notable non keepers in our league with the rest of the top 2015 draft class.

Mathew Barzal
Pavel Zacha
Noah Hanifin
Lawson Crouse
Zach Werenski
Mikko Rantanen
Ivan Provorov

Stalock, Alex
Duclair, Anthony
Kapanen, Kasperi
Bjorkstrand, Oliver
Lowry, Adam (good for hits and faceoffs)
Hoffman, Mike
Fucale, Zachary
Nesterov, Nikita
Dvorak, Christian
Dickinson, Jason

many thanks

[Jouko-Pouko]

I wouldn't draft any of those older non-keepers with the first 16 picks. The top-20 is deep this year, and those older prospects aren't game-changers. After the fist 20-22 players from 2015 class, I would start looking at Duclair, Bjorkstrand and Dickinson.

[Big Ev]

Not even a mike Hoffman fan but I'd easily take him over Werenski crouse and Provorov at least. He's the most proven player out of all these guys and is in the NHL. I would also take Lowry over the men probably. I would take duclair and bork strand over the d men as well

[Fighting_Emu]

No love for Kapanen? I like him on the second list- but not sure where he ranks overall out of those players...

[VintageVibe]

I don't know... in terms of upside and time-frame to hit...

I'd put Kapanen, Bjorkstrand, Hoffman and Duclair ahead of Crouse and Werenski at the very least. We're talking about players that are scheduled for a top 6 role at some point this year (Duclair is a question mark) and are shot heavy, goal scorers here.

Stalock and Dvorak could be up there too...

[Jouko-Pouko]

I don't know... in terms of upside and time-frame to hit...

I'd put Kapanen, Bjorkstrand, Hoffman and Duclair ahead of Crouse and Werenski at the very least. We're talking about players that are scheduled for a top 6 role at some point this year (Duclair is a question mark) and are shot heavy, goal scorers here.

Stalock and Dvorak could be up there too...

Kapanen and Bjorkstrand will play in the AHL. I don't see either one playing more than a game or two in the NHL. In 2016-2017, maybe. But then those 2015 draftees can just as easily play in the NHL.

[VintageVibe]

Kapanen and Bjorkstrand will play in the AHL. I don't see either one playing more than a game or two in the NHL. In 2016-2017, maybe. But then those 2015 draftees can just as easily play in the NHL.

You might be right but Crouse's upside doesn't come close to any of the above mentioned players, IMHO.

[Jouko-Pouko]

You might be right but Crouse's upside doesn't come close to any of the above mentioned players, IMHO.

Crouse's upside may only be 65 points but I don't see Kapanen or Bjorkstrand having much more upside either. Maybe 70 points if everything goes perfectly but that's it. Crouse's NHL certainty is way higher because of his strong two-way game and size.

I'm not a big fan of Crouse but even still I think he's worth more than Kapanen or Bjorkstrand.

[Brosive]

Thanks for your input guys.. much appreciated.
I'm not too familiar with player like Bjorkstrand, Dickinson or Dvorak so all your suggestions are a big help

i have the list broken up into tiers at least now.. am i on the right track with this?

TIER 1: Barzal, Zacha, Hanifin, Rantanen
TIER 2: Kapanen, Bjorkstrand, Hoffman, Dulcair, Lowry(simply because he's already producing Hits and FW with a low cap hit)
TIER 3: Crouse, Provorov, Stalock, Dvorak, Dickinson, Werenski, Nesterov, Fucale

[Jouko-Pouko]

i have the list broken up into tiers at least now.. am i on the right track with this?

TIER 1: Barzal, Zacha, Hanifin, Rantanen
TIER 2: Kapanen, Bjorkstrand, Hoffman, Dulcair, Lowry(simply because he's already producing Hits and FW with a low cap hit)
TIER 3: Crouse, Provorov, Stalock, Dvorak, Dickinson, Werenski, Nesterov, Fucale

I would have the tiers like this:

Tier 1: Barzal, Zacha, Rantanen
Tier 2: Crouse, Meier, Hanifin, Provorov, Connor, Svechnikov, Guryanov, Werenski
Tier 3: Merkley, Sprong, Eriksson Ek, Konecny, Boeser
Tier 4: Dickinson, Duclair, Bjorkstrand
Tier 5: Kapanen, Dvorak, Lowry, Hoffman, Fucale
Tier 6: Stalock, Nesterov

[VintageVibe]

Thanks for your input guys.. much appreciated.
I'm not too familiar with player like Bjorkstrand, Dickinson or Dvorak so all your suggestions are a big help

i have the list broken up into tiers at least now.. am i on the right track with this?

TIER 1: Barzal, Zacha, Hanifin, Rantanen
TIER 2: Kapanen, Bjorkstrand, Hoffman, Dulcair, Lowry(simply because he's already producing Hits and FW with a low cap hit)
TIER 3: Crouse, Provorov, Stalock, Dvorak, Dickinson, Werenski, Nesterov, Fucale

Tough to put them in tiers like this as there isn't much separating one tier from the other... but I'd probably go:

TIER 1: Barzal, Zacha, Hanifin, Rantanen
TIER 2: Provorov (could be in TIER 1), Kapanen, Bjorkstrand, Hoffman, Duclair
TIER 3: Crouse, Lowry, Dvorak, Werenski
TIER 4: Stalock, Dickinson, Nesterov, Fucale

A lot of factors to consider that can effect their upside... A guy like Crouse could very easily be destined to become your average third line winger that doesn't put up more than 20 and 20 or end up on a line with an elite centre and turn into the next Ladd/Lucic and become a 30 and 30 power forward... but heading into the draft this is how I'd rank them. The top two tiers are your big fantasy names with higher chances to hit their big upsides ... Dvorak and Werenski could earn a place up there as well (but for the sake of balancing it out...).

[Big Ev]

I would have the tiers like this:

Tier 1: Barzal, Zacha, Rantanen
Tier 2: Crouse, Meier, Hanifin, Provorov, Connor, Svechnikov, Guryanov, Werenski
Tier 3: Merkley, Sprong, Eriksson Ek, Konecny, Boeser
Tier 4: Dickinson, Duclair, Bjorkstrand
Tier 5: Kapanen, Dvorak, Lowry, Hoffman, Fucale
Tier 6: Stalock, Nesterov

how is Hoffman in tier five? None of these other guys have done anything. he should be in tier two, three at worst.

[Jouko-Pouko]

how is Hoffman in tier five? None of these other guys have done anything. he should be in tier two, three at worst.

I just feel like he will come crashing down and end up on the 3rd line where he was always destined to anyways. Not really a fan of his upside, so I wouldn't trade anyone from higher tiers to get him.

[Bass56]

how is Hoffman in tier five? None of these other guys have done anything. he should be in tier two, three at worst.

I agree; not a fan of him either but he has done well up until now. I don't see him rising much more, but he is good for 45-55 points if he can stay in the top 6.

I see him as the top dog in tier 3