Its time to end this charade

[TheNugeCooge]

Tequila, don't you hate Crosby too? What's your take on him o' maleficent one?

[Dutch]

Its time to end this charade

[Big Ev]

well Phoenix isn't too happy even though they got Vermette

[Plumley]

Turris is not a bust. Just not sure he's a first line center and he's not surrounded by the best supporting cast either.

[Call of Doughty]

[tequilamonster]

TM is not completely wrong here. But I have a couple of questions for him.

1. Was someone in your league or in your office walking around talking about how great Kyle Turris is? Or are you still just bothered by someone doing that five years ago and it just sticks in your mind? To me the charade ended a couple of years ago and it has actually been reborn via this thread you started. (2012 called - they want their topic back)

2. You were asked this earlier, I think by RaTaylor, and you skirted the question. Was he the best player to be taken third overall? And if not, who? The point given was - Subban and Benn were passed over by all the NHL teams, so you can't say them. Pick a player in the first round you would take ahead of Turris. Keep picking players and let's see if you knock him out of the Top 10. Taylor brought up a good point - if you say Couture, would you be saying that seven points is the difference between 'star' and 'bust' to you?

Given that, in hindsight, of the Top 30 players that all teams were looking at, it looks to me as though Turris should have indeed gone in the Top 10 and if not Top 5...maybe the entire draft was just weak and relatively speaking Phoenix did well to draft Turris when they did.

to be clear dobber...couture didnt have the hype....in the NHL a 3rd overall pick is significantly different than a 10th overall.....i dont think couture is a star....

so i ask you dobber....forget hindsight....did turris live up to his predraft hype? projections?...i say no......i dont care if was a weak draft......turris was pegged to be pretty much a cant miss star.....hes a bust....

another question dobber...will turris 'breakout' next season or is this it.....no obsessing, just humourous how many say hes not a bust when he clearly did not live up to the hype..

[tequilamonster]

Tequila, don't you hate Crosby too? What's your take on him o' maleficent one?

i think hes a whiner.....no hate.....many reputable nhl insiders thinks hes a whiner as well....that said hes toned down his whining lately..

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Turris is not a bust. Just not sure he's a first line center and he's not surrounded by the best supporting cast either.

he was projected to be a top line star.....hes a bust

[Plumley]

i think hes a whiner.....no hate.....many reputable nhl insiders thinks hes a whiner as well....that said hes toned down his whining lately..

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he was projected to be a top line star.....hes a bust

And who's to say he won't be? Is he retiring?

[tequilamonster]

And who's to say he won't be? Is he retiring?

im saying he wont be...hes a bust...

thats all turdis fans got......."he will breakout next year"...lol..sure he will....

[Plumley]

im saying he wont be...hes a bust...

thats all turdis fans got......."he will breakout next year"...lol..sure he will....

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[Call of Doughty]

other notable 3rd overall picks below. discuss if you must

Jonathan Drouin LW Halifax (QMJHL) Tampa Bay Lightning
2012 Alex Galchenyuk C Sarnia (OHL) Montreal Canadiens
2011 Jonathan Huberdeau C/LW Saint John (QMJHL) Florida Panthers
2010 Erik Gudbranson D Kingston (OHL) Florida Panthers
2009 Matt Duchene C Brampton (OHL) Colorado Avalanche
2008 Zach Bogosian D Peterborough (OHL) Atlanta Thrashers
2007 Kyle Turris C Burnaby (BCHL) Phoenix Coyotes
2006 Jonathan Toews C North Dakota (WCHA) Chicago Blackhawks
2005 Jack Johnson D U.S. Junior National Team (Intl) Carolina Hurricanes
2004 Cam Barker D Medicine Hat Tigers (WHL) Chicago Blackhawks
2003 Nathan Horton C Oshawa Generals (OHL) Florida Panthers
2002 Jay Bouwmeester D Medicine Hat Tigers (WHL) Florida Panthers
2001 Alexandr Svitov C Omsk Avangard (Russia) Tampa Bay Lightning
2000 Marian Gaborik LW Dukla Trencin (Slovak) Minnesota Wild
1999 Henrik Sedin C Modo Hockey Ornskoldsvik (SEL) Vancouver Canucks
1998 Brad Stuart D Regina Pats (WHL) San Jose Sharks
1997 Olli Jokinen C HIFK Helsinki (FNL) Los Angeles Kings
1996 J.P. Dumont RW Val-d'Or Foreurs (QMJHL) New York Islanders
1995 Aki-Petteri Berg D TPS Jrs. (Finland) Los Angeles Kings
1994 Radek Bonk C Las Vegas Thunder (IHL) Ottawa Senators
1993 Chris Gratton C Kingston Frontenacs (OHL) Tampa Bay Lightning
1992 Mike Rathje D Medicine Hat Tigers (WHL) San Jose Sharks
1991 Scott Niedermayer D Kamloops Blazers (WHL) New Jersey Devils
1990 Keith Primeau C Niagara-Falls Thunder (OHL) Detroit Red Wings
1989 Scott Thornton C Belleville Bulls (OHL) Toronto Maple Leafs
1988 Curtis Leschyshyn D Saskatoon Blades (WHL) Quebuc Nordiques
1987 Glen Wesley D Portland Winter Hawks (WHL) Boston Bruins
1986 Neil Brady C Medicine Hat Tigers (WHL) New Jersey Devils
1985 Craig Wolanin D Kitchener Rangers (OHL) New Jersey Devils
1984 Ed Olczyk C U.S. National Team (Intl) Chicago Blackhawks
1983 Pat LaFontaine C Verdun Juniors (QMJHL) New York Islanders
1981 Bobby Carpenter C St. John's Prep [Mass H.S.] Washington Capitals
1980 Denis Savard F Montreal Juniors (QMJHL) Chicago Blackhawks

[Bomm Bastic]

[tequilamonster]

other notable 3rd overall picks below. discuss if you must

Jonathan Drouin LW Halifax (QMJHL) Tampa Bay Lightning
2012 Alex Galchenyuk C Sarnia (OHL) Montreal Canadiens
2011 Jonathan Huberdeau C/LW Saint John (QMJHL) Florida Panthers
2010 Erik Gudbranson D Kingston (OHL) Florida Panthers
2009 Matt Duchene C Brampton (OHL) Colorado Avalanche
2008 Zach Bogosian D Peterborough (OHL) Atlanta Thrashers
2007 Kyle Turris C Burnaby (BCHL) Phoenix Coyotes
2006 Jonathan Toews C North Dakota (WCHA) Chicago Blackhawks
2005 Jack Johnson D U.S. Junior National Team (Intl) Carolina Hurricanes
2004 Cam Barker D Medicine Hat Tigers (WHL) Chicago Blackhawks
2003 Nathan Horton C Oshawa Generals (OHL) Florida Panthers
2002 Jay Bouwmeester D Medicine Hat Tigers (WHL) Florida Panthers
2001 Alexandr Svitov C Omsk Avangard (Russia) Tampa Bay Lightning
2000 Marian Gaborik LW Dukla Trencin (Slovak) Minnesota Wild
1999 Henrik Sedin C Modo Hockey Ornskoldsvik (SEL) Vancouver Canucks
1998 Brad Stuart D Regina Pats (WHL) San Jose Sharks
1997 Olli Jokinen C HIFK Helsinki (FNL) Los Angeles Kings
1996 J.P. Dumont RW Val-d'Or Foreurs (QMJHL) New York Islanders
1995 Aki-Petteri Berg D TPS Jrs. (Finland) Los Angeles Kings
1994 Radek Bonk C Las Vegas Thunder (IHL) Ottawa Senators
1993 Chris Gratton C Kingston Frontenacs (OHL) Tampa Bay Lightning
1992 Mike Rathje D Medicine Hat Tigers (WHL) San Jose Sharks
1991 Scott Niedermayer D Kamloops Blazers (WHL) New Jersey Devils
1990 Keith Primeau C Niagara-Falls Thunder (OHL) Detroit Red Wings
1989 Scott Thornton C Belleville Bulls (OHL) Toronto Maple Leafs
1988 Curtis Leschyshyn D Saskatoon Blades (WHL) Quebuc Nordiques
1987 Glen Wesley D Portland Winter Hawks (WHL) Boston Bruins
1986 Neil Brady C Medicine Hat Tigers (WHL) New Jersey Devils
1985 Craig Wolanin D Kitchener Rangers (OHL) New Jersey Devils
1984 Ed Olczyk C U.S. National Team (Intl) Chicago Blackhawks
1983 Pat LaFontaine C Verdun Juniors (QMJHL) New York Islanders
1981 Bobby Carpenter C St. John's Prep [Mass H.S.] Washington Capitals
1980 Denis Savard F Montreal Juniors (QMJHL) Chicago Blackhawks

nice list...stars busts all rolled into one....

not so sure why the turdis bust implication is a shock....many players as you can tell by the list above dont either A) live up to their draft slot OR b) meet their predraft hype...

many do.....

forget hindsight because thats horseshite!

turdis wasnt the first bust and hes not the last.....

[rainydrinkwater]

So, how many centers league wide finished with more than Turris' 58pts last season?

[Big Ev]

im saying he wont be...hes a bust...

thats all turdis fans got......."he will breakout next year"...lol..sure he will....

Um. He already did breakout...