Pietrangelo's deal

[27Blue]

If the Blues don't have the best top-6 defence in the league, they are at least in the conversation. Combine that with the weak division that the Blues are in and I think Armstrong has the luxury to sit back and see how the first 10 games of the season go. If they win, I think AP will have to bend... If they lose, then the Blues will have to do what it takes to get their best player back onthe ice.

It could get solved earlier, but I can see this thing dragging on for a while.

[Big Ev]

Compare Pietrangelo and Subban all you want but that article was ridiculous. Saying the only player they'd trade him for is Crosby, come on. I can name at least 3-4 defenceman I'd rather have let alone forwards.

Another case of a 48 game sample size most likely blurring reality.

[fungchen3]

Lol. Pietrangelo is much better than Subban.

I love both players, in fact, Pietro is one of my favorites... but Subban just won the Norris.

[yougo]

Compare Pietrangelo and Subban all you want but that article was ridiculous. Saying the only player they'd trade him for is Crosby, come on. I can name at least 3-4 defenceman I'd rather have let alone forwards.

Another case of a 48 game sample size most likely blurring reality.

Me too. It's obviously a very pro-Habs/Subban article. I was mostly reffering to the stats showing how good Subban has been in the least 3 years.

[Seeds of Grapes]

From a fantasy perspective:

Multicat, Subban s one of the best Ds in the league, period.

Points only, I would guess that in most pools Subban would be drafted well ahead of Pietrangelo, and both well beind Karlsson.

[Rodgort]

I thought this feed was about "Pietrangelo's deal" not "Pietrangelo vs Subban" haha.

I just want the blues to sign him because I would like him on team Canada. You would think that be motivation enough to be "fine I'll sign a 2 year deal and get 6-7 mill from it"

[rataylor22]

From a fantasy perspective:

Multicat, Subban s one of the best Ds in the league, period.

Points only, I would guess that in most pools Subban would be drafted well ahead of Pietrangelo, and both well beind Karlsson.

I feel like most GMs don't really care about the fantasy value of their players. As I already said, Subban is a much much better fantasy player than Pietrangelo. Pietrangelo is a much better real life player than Subban.

As for this fallback Norris argument. People do realize that the people who vote on the Norris are the same people who made Ovie an all-star at two different positions right? Clearly they watch a lot of hockey and we can take that as an actual judge of who the best defensemen in the league are. If Subban is as good or better than Pietrangelo, why is Piets basically a lock for Team Canada while Subban probably won't go? Anyone who watches actual hockey knows Suter should have won the Norris last year, and those people also know Pietrangelo is a much better real life player than PK Subban.

[fungchen3]

From a fantasy perspective:

Multicat, Subban s one of the best Ds in the league, period.

Points only, I would guess that in most pools Subban would be drafted well ahead of Pietrangelo, and both well beind Karlsson.

If I got paid for building an NHL club from scratch, my Top-5 D would rank:

1. Karlsson
2. Weber
3. Suter
4. Subban
5. Pietrangelo

Fantasy points:

1. Karlsson
2. Letang
3. Subban
4. Schultz
5. Weber

[fungchen3]

Pietrangelo is a much better real life player than Subban.

I think this is where the argument falls apart. Could one say that overall Pietrangelo edges Subban a little? Sure. I could also see the argument going the other way. But to say EITHER player is MUCH better is straight hyperbole and unrealistic IMO.

In what facets of the game is Pietrangelo far superior to Subban, making him much better overall?

If I had to breakdown both of their games, here's how I would score them:

Skating: AP-9 / PS-8
Stickhandling: AP-8.5 / PS-9
Slap shot: AP-8 / PS-9
Wrist shot: AP-9.5 / PS-8
Passing: AP-9 / PS-7.5
Hitting/Physical play: AP-7.5 / PS-8.5
Defensive Awareness: AP-8.5 / PS-7
Positioning: AP-9 / PS-7.5
Stickchecking: AP-9.5 / PS-7.5
Leadership: AP-7 / PS-8
Aggression: AP-7 / PS-8.5
Intangibles: AP-8.5 / PS-8
Powerplay: AP-8 / PS-9.5
Penalty killing: AP-8.5 / PS-7
Decision-making: AP-8.5 / PS-7

Overall:

AP-8.4 / PS-8

Attribute-wise, AP edges Subban by a hair. Yet I'm a firm believer of the power of emotion and feel that is what tips the scales into Subban's favor (for me at least). If there was a big game being played for all the marbles and I could have one of these kids, I'd pick Subban.

[als_revenge]

Apples are MUCH better than Oranges!

However, Granny Smith apples are slightly better than Golden Delicious apples and I prefer Mandarin Oranges over Navel Oranges ...

Where are the advanced stats to back up these ridiculous claims?

[als_revenge]

I wish I could bet you a ka-billion-zillion dollars he gets more than $4 million a year, regardless of term.

Ok. Where's my ka-billion-zillion dollars?

[rataylor22]

Boom. 7 years, 6.5 mil. Basically exactly what I said. He didn't need to prove anything on a bridge deal and he knew it.

[ntrspctv]

Boom. 7 years, 6.5 mil. Basically exactly what I said. He didn't need to prove anything on a bridge deal and he knew it.

was just about to post this. boooooom!