Voynov or Shattenkirk

[PatInTheHat]

Shatts for me

[Fast Tony DeNiro]

Wow, I'm surprised how overwhelming the opinions are in favor of Voynov. I thought they were similar but Shatty having the slight edge pedigree/name-wise.

If it comes down to it I can keep both if I give up one of the borderline forwards I was contemplating keeping.

Who are these borderline forwards? Might be a good choice as both these d-men are keeper worthy.

Between the two I'll take Shattenkirk. I really don't understand the overwhelming love for Voynov in the thread as he's yet to approach the numbers Shatty has posted. Don't get me wrong Voynov is a player I really like, I just wouldn't take him over Shatty.

[als_revenge]

Who are these borderline forwards?

Yes, that is the million dollar question...

[dodospice]

Shattenkirk for me as well

[kovalchuk17]

Here's the link to my keepers thread. http://forums.dobbersports.com/showthread.php?t=156415

Essentially I'm gauging how to rank my defense in case I have to drop one. More and more I wanna just drop my forwards and keep my defense and just focus on drafting forwards.

[agentzero]

Here's the link to my keepers thread. http://forums.dobbersports.com/showthread.php?t=156415

Essentially I'm gauging how to rank my defense in case I have to drop one. More and more I wanna just drop my forwards and keep my defense and just focus on drafting forwards.

I would find a way to parlay a trade of one of those D you spoke of (Keith is the other) and/or Brad Richards for an upgrade...

I would also think of cashing-in on the hype and trade Voynov, keeping Keith and Shattenkirk and upgrading up front...

[kovalchuk17]

I would like to do that too but so far no bites =\

[agentzero]

I would like to do that too but so far no bites =\

No bites on Voynov?... wow. I would tend to think you could cash-in and get a decent upgrade up front for him... Top 6 F for sure..

[dodospice]

No bites on Voynov?... wow. I would tend to think you could cash-in and get a decent upgrade up front for him... Top 6 F for sure..

I have been offering, OEL or Green, Phaneuf and Goligoski all off season in my league and no bites for me either people just don't value defence like they should.

[kovalchuk17]

Part of it is due to the volatile nature of defensemen production and the bias towards forwards.

A '50-point dman' is likely to get between 45-55, that is too drastic of a range for some managers to keep over 65-70 pt forwards. Most people in a keeper league with few keeps (in this case 6) are more likely to keep a bunch of forwards and a goalie, only the sure bets for 50+ (aka the elite) are possibly kept. There arent 13 Dmen that we can confidently say fit that bill, probably 5-7 depending on your optimism.

In my case, I have to be a bit more progressive with my keepers and go for broke for some franchise scorers. I hope Mackinnon and Huberdeau make a big impact next season.

[pianoman]

Shattenkirk.

Why?

-PP1 minutes. (49.1% of the time, he is on the ice for PP)
-JBo will handle more of the shut-down work.
-Voynov gets PP2 time (42% of the ice time), and has to split it with Muzzin. (with both behind Doughty)
- 2.5 seasons of data vs. 1 season of data to work with.

[ice time % stats are from left wing lock.]

[DuklaNation]

Voynov. The trend is your friend.

[SeaDawg]

Voynov. The trend is your friend.

exactly...not enough people consider this when evaluating players. I know long-term Shattenkirk is still a stud, but teams (and players) get into a routine (or trend) and, although you could be wrong sometimes, the key to making good decisions (selling high and buying low) is to pick up on the trend sooner than others.

If you look at the second half of last season, Shattenkirk didn't put up many points, whereas Voynov was on fire (including the playoffs). If that trend continues for the first 20 games of the upcoming season, it will be too late to acquire Voynov for Shattenkirk. Now is the time to act on this while still possible.