Jonas Brodin or Justin Schultz

[Dakkster]

No I am just saying that +/- is a lot more important than any of those other statistics. If Brodin doesn't get as many hits, or PIM, (and he will get some anyway) he isn't going to LOSE points because of it. Anyway I don't play in a multi-cat league so I might be out of my element here anyway. If the league counts negative points, the mechanics of that are a big deal. In my league to place in the top three your team is going to have something like +75 to +150 which is hard to get holding onto players that go -17 (as you need another player with +17 simply to break even more less).

Then it's plainly obvious that you need to learn about other league types because even if you claim to not be saying that +/- is more important, that's actually what you're arguing, even in your latest post. No, a bad plus/minus doesn't negate ALL THE OTHER POSITIVES of a player. The reality is that Schultz offensive upside is astronomical and he should get okay peripherals along with that. Also, who says that Schultz's plus/minus will forever be awful?

Again, this is fantasy hockey. We measure measureable stuff. Brodin has attributes that, as a hockey player, don't get measured as much. If we would measure pucks tapped away by an active stick he would be among the elite in that category, but that's not a category now, is it? He doesn't hit much. He's like Lidstrom in the peripherals but he doesn't have Lidstrom's offensive upside. He will likely be a better dman all-around compared to Schultz, but in fantasy hockey he will be far behind, regardless of if it's points only or multicategory (PP stuff, hits, blocks, PIM, +/-, what have you).

[Thunder]

The question is about a sim league. Not a points-only or multi-cat pool. Frankly, I have no idea how to answer this, but arguing the players' respective value in point-only and multi-cat leagues is not quite accurate. We'd really need to know more precisely what stats are used and how they are translated into a value for each player.

[ridinryan44]

Yea, def need more info, but I truly cannot see ANY situation where Brodin has more fantasy value that Schultz does. -17 and all. Not even close.

[Thunder]

Yea, def need more info, but I truly cannot see ANY situation where Brodin has more fantasy value that Schultz does. -17 and all. Not even close.

Hits, PP and PK time, shots per game, penalty minutes, takeaway, giveaway, gaol, assists, etc,

So those stats are taken and then the player are given a number 1 to 100 (higher is better) in different skills like defense, offense, intensity, endurance, durability, passing.

Pk time, giveaways, +/-, likely means Brodin gets high defensive awareness score. Conversely, Shultz will get a high offensive awareness score. Most other scores (except possibly passing ability) will pretty much be even. I can see how, depending on the rest of the roster, Brodin could be more useful in a computer simulated game.

[AlexR]

I tought the topic was dead.
Draft day have passed and I've choose Schultz. I had the 3rd overall and right after me the other GM toke Brodin.
Since someone of you want some number here they are in the pictures.

those are the attributes player have:

DU = durability FI = finess EX = experience
STA = Stamina HS = hockey sense DEF = defense
Di = Discipline FO = faceoff PO = potential
ST= strength PA = passing OV = overall
IT = intensity SHO = shooting CD = condition
SP = speed LD = leadership

And those are the stats from where to attributes came from:

Durability: Games played
Stamina: Minutes played
Discipline: Penalty minutes
Strength: Height & Weight
Intensity: Body checks, Blocked shots, Penalty minutes
Speed: Weight, Height & Shots/game
Finesse: Points/Game & Speed
Hockey Sense: Points/Game & +-
Faceoffs: Faceoff %
Passing: Assists/Game
Shooting: Goals/Game
Defense: Blocked shots/Game, +-, Takeaways & Giveaways, PK Time on ice
Leadership: Captain/Assistant & Experience
Experience: Games played (career)
Potential: Expected overall at the age of 30, calculated using the actual overall and player age.
Overall: Average of all attributes (some exceptions apply)

edit: the worst a player can be in one attribute is 50