Letang's worth bloated or right on?
I offered another GM my Karlsson and a 4th round pick in 2011 for Letang. He's pretty much out of it and is looking for picks. He laughed and said he was already offered a 2nd rounder from two other GM's. I told him to jump on it if that's the case.
We only keep 4 players and Letang wouldn't be a keeper for me and to be honest I think most GM's would feel the same way. Is this guy asking too much or is he right on. I was thinking of upping it to a 3rd rounder/Karlsson, but I can't see going any higher. Thanks
10 team H2H !Y League (4 keepers - at least 1 must be a D-man OR Goalie)
Start - 2C, 2L, 2R, 1U, 3D, 2G, 6Bench, 2IR, 2IR+ (Daily) (5 moves per week)
Skaters - G, A, +/-, PPP, PIM, HITS, BS, GWG, SOG
Goalies - Wins, Saves, S%, GAA (Min. 4 starts)
Championships 2007, 2009, 2012, 2016, 2017, 2019*, 2023
C-McDavid, Trocheck, Suzuki
L-B.Tkachuk(C/L), Forsberg, Konecny(L/R)
R-Hyman(L/R), Svechnikov(L/R), P. Kane
D-Dahlin, Josi,
G-DeSmith, Thompson, Hill
IR-Demko
I'm surprised that he has'nt been offered a 1st!
My friend , Letang has been emerging as the #1 D-Man in Pitts. for some time now and I'd say he's there!
Dobber has him rated as the #3 Def. to own in keeper leagues where playoffs are included.
I forgot how many teams were in your league , if there are many the he's a huge keeper , if there are few then he may not make the cut.
Roto type keeper league.We keep any 6 ;15 teams , 3 div. of 5.We play 3 lines , 3 def. and start 2 goalies.6 BN.Stats are 1pt. for goals and assists , 2pts. for W , tie(O.T. or S.O. loss) 1pt. S.O. 1pt.Weekly line-up from Mon. to Sun. Total pts. per line against other teams lines.
LW - Ovechkin , Drouin ,Steen , Huberdeau
RW - Nash , Callahan , Nyquist
C - B. Schenn , Fisher , R.N.H. , St. Louis , T. Johnson
Def.- E. Johnson , Gologoski , Suter , Doughty , O.E.L.
G - Scheinder , Dubnyk , Lack
So I see 10 teams , that's 40 players protected , if you are looking for a stud Def. as a keeper then his value is high.
Myself with only 40 players protected would probably pass on Letang.
Roto type keeper league.We keep any 6 ;15 teams , 3 div. of 5.We play 3 lines , 3 def. and start 2 goalies.6 BN.Stats are 1pt. for goals and assists , 2pts. for W , tie(O.T. or S.O. loss) 1pt. S.O. 1pt.Weekly line-up from Mon. to Sun. Total pts. per line against other teams lines.
LW - Ovechkin , Drouin ,Steen , Huberdeau
RW - Nash , Callahan , Nyquist
C - B. Schenn , Fisher , R.N.H. , St. Louis , T. Johnson
Def.- E. Johnson , Gologoski , Suter , Doughty , O.E.L.
G - Scheinder , Dubnyk , Lack
Letang is a definite keeper in any league. I'd have told you Karlsson and a 1st.
20 Team Pool Points Keeper
G =1,A=1,PPG=1,PPA=0.5, SHG=1,GWG=1,PIM=0.1,+/-=0.25
Goalie cats (W=2, SO=3, SV=0.05)
F: Malkin, B.Richards, Franzen, D.Brown, Boedker, Zajac, Atkinson, Scheifele, Read, Boyes
D: Green, Schultz, Faulk, Goligoski
G: Crawford
Yea only 2 or 3 dmen were kept last season..Green, Doughty and Lidstrom (I think). Most guys opt for a goalie and offense. I actually traded Semin over the summer to keep Doughty...the juries still out on that one. I think I made the right choice long term.Originally Posted by smoothfun
10 team H2H !Y League (4 keepers - at least 1 must be a D-man OR Goalie)
Start - 2C, 2L, 2R, 1U, 3D, 2G, 6Bench, 2IR, 2IR+ (Daily) (5 moves per week)
Skaters - G, A, +/-, PPP, PIM, HITS, BS, GWG, SOG
Goalies - Wins, Saves, S%, GAA (Min. 4 starts)
Championships 2007, 2009, 2012, 2016, 2017, 2019*, 2023
C-McDavid, Trocheck, Suzuki
L-B.Tkachuk(C/L), Forsberg, Konecny(L/R)
R-Hyman(L/R), Svechnikov(L/R), P. Kane
D-Dahlin, Josi,
G-DeSmith, Thompson, Hill
IR-Demko
How about this...is Letang worth my Malkin? I have an owner ofering me this in a points only league were every G=A=1 pt, excep Dmen G=2pts.
We keep 8. Obvious answer right...no!
I'd go as high as a 2nd rounder, no problem. However, not a 1st...not if Karlsson is in the mix. Enstrom or Burns certainly, but i just think a 1st and Karlsson is too high.
EDIT: Missed the part about keeping only 4 players...damn. That in mind, w/your keepers being what they are, going as high as a 2nd is more of a gamble. Wouldn't rule it out per se, but definitely need more consideration. I think your D-men are pretty solid. Unless you think you really need Letang for a playoff push, I would not go higher than a 3rd + Karlsson.
Last edited by Bomm Bastic; January 7, 2011 at 6:59 AM.
@SmittysRant
No, Letang will not be a keeper on your squad and I don't see the need to give up a pretty productive Karlsson and a high pick. I think your original offer was fair.
Without me, it's only "aweso".
I'm actually thinking of restructuring the deal to make it more appealing to him.
My Karlsson & 2nd(should be a bottom 3) (straight draft) for his Letang & 3rd (should be a top 4) so realistically my #18-20 for his #21-24.
Now of course the only given is that he'll be assured a top 4 pick, however I could have a horrible playoff and end up with pick #15. Still not the worst thing. It's all about winning now without selling the future.
10 team H2H !Y League (4 keepers - at least 1 must be a D-man OR Goalie)
Start - 2C, 2L, 2R, 1U, 3D, 2G, 6Bench, 2IR, 2IR+ (Daily) (5 moves per week)
Skaters - G, A, +/-, PPP, PIM, HITS, BS, GWG, SOG
Goalies - Wins, Saves, S%, GAA (Min. 4 starts)
Championships 2007, 2009, 2012, 2016, 2017, 2019*, 2023
C-McDavid, Trocheck, Suzuki
L-B.Tkachuk(C/L), Forsberg, Konecny(L/R)
R-Hyman(L/R), Svechnikov(L/R), P. Kane
D-Dahlin, Josi,
G-DeSmith, Thompson, Hill
IR-Demko
Actually swapping picks isn't a bad idea. I often overlook that strategy, and it's usually a pretty effective tool in getting another GM to swing your way.
Man...sucks you can keep only four. I'm trying to figure a way to deal a player + pick so Letang can become a keeper for you, but it's just not working.
@SmittysRant
I think its well worth dishing off a 2nd rounder. Certainly you can offer the 3rd without any real hesitation. If he takes that fine. If he doesn't I would offer the pick swap idea. If he doesn't like that I would cave and give him the 2nd.
Letang is going crazy. He could be just the push you need to get you to the trophy. Selling him for Karlsson is not selling your future. Its making your team better in my opinion. The 2nd rounder is the "getting better" tax and hopefully... the "winning the league" tax.
with Crosby, Ovechkin, Doughty already in tow in a keep 4 I rather see you keep Pavelec or Getzlaf over Letang or Bryzgalov
Letang isn't even in the running for me as a keeper. He's only a rental and trade bait in the off season.
I'm leaning heavily towards Getzlaf as my 4th unless a good off season trade comes up. I've been burned by keeper goalies every time. I kept Bryz this season because he was part of an off season trade last summer.
10 team H2H !Y League (4 keepers - at least 1 must be a D-man OR Goalie)
Start - 2C, 2L, 2R, 1U, 3D, 2G, 6Bench, 2IR, 2IR+ (Daily) (5 moves per week)
Skaters - G, A, +/-, PPP, PIM, HITS, BS, GWG, SOG
Goalies - Wins, Saves, S%, GAA (Min. 4 starts)
Championships 2007, 2009, 2012, 2016, 2017, 2019*, 2023
C-McDavid, Trocheck, Suzuki
L-B.Tkachuk(C/L), Forsberg, Konecny(L/R)
R-Hyman(L/R), Svechnikov(L/R), P. Kane
D-Dahlin, Josi,
G-DeSmith, Thompson, Hill
IR-Demko
ahh makes more sense then...if Pavelec keeps playing like Vezina material he's a keeper for you in my eyes..even if he busts his upside is so massive with what he's showcased that its definitely worth the gamble on him...Bryz isn't worth it tho in a keep 4 for over Getz in my eyes as you can always land a similar talent in net during next seasons draft
Pavelec as a keeper in a keep 4 format? No friggin way. Just my opinion, but I think that is crazy.
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