Sharks fire HC David Quinn

[pmorrow]

Frank Seravalli
@frank_seravalli
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#sjsharks announce coach David Quinn has been fired.

[Bubba55]

Mike Grier is the one who should have been fired! No NHL coach could have had success with the teams that this GM put on the ice since he landed in San Jose. Brutal!!!

[finnys_fanatsy]

makes ZERO sense..what was expected? they had a sh!t roster...and will continue to be that for another 2-3 yrs

[rataylor22]

Mike Grier is the one who should have been fired! No NHL coach could have had success with the teams that this GM put on the ice since he landed in San Jose. Brutal!!!

makes ZERO sense..what was expected? they had a sh!t roster...and will continue to be that for another 2-3 yrs

Sure, but outside of the fact that he coached in college we don't have any evidence that Quinn is good with young players or with player development, and he's also not tactfully/structurally strong.

A coach can have a bad team and still do a bad job. Nothing wrong with this firing if you think there are better options out there for developing your young players (which IMO there are).

[2014olympicgold]

They know more than we do and how he legitimately connected with players, so I'd expect that they know he's not the guy to go through a rebuild with. He could be prioritizing winning over developing habits which is no fault on him, that's his job is to win.

[rataylor22]

They know more than we do and how he legitimately connected with players, so I'd expect that they know he's not the guy to go through a rebuild with. He could be prioritizing winning over developing habits which is no fault on him, that's his job is to win.

Not necessarily. His job objective is determined by the organization. If the organization told him that his main objectives were connecting with young players, player development, and playing young players in important roles, and to prioritize those objectives over winning, then his job isn't necessarily to win. Now he may have felt his best prospects for another future job was to prioritize winning over those objectives, and if that is the case his resume over 5 seasons in the NHL is a big yikes.

[Pengwin7]

Meh. If I'm Grier... (and if it is actually 'Grier's Decision') I would've given him one more year.

P7 Math:
So... the coach-hiring precedent is set "Two seasons.. you get two seasons.... If team looks bad, buh-bye."
So next guy gets two seasons. And if Coach2 doesn't turn it around - which he won't... - then Coach2 should be out, too, at 2 seasons.
As a GM - I think that once you hire/fire two coaches... you are next.
And after 2+2 from Grier... Grier should be out at 4.
3+3 would've at least gotten Grier maybe 6 years as SJ GM.

This move might've shortened his career by 2 years as a GM.

[all that said - sometimes it's the owners rep (or POHO) that tells the GM "Find a new coach"... and that may come with a suggestive stare of "If you don't, we'll find a new GM to do it." #HextallHakstol]

[2014olympicgold]

Not necessarily. His job objective is determined by the organization. If the organization told him that his main objectives were connecting with young players, player development, and playing young players in important roles, and to prioritize those objectives over winning, then his job isn't necessarily to win. Now he may have felt his best prospects for another future job was to prioritize winning over those objectives, and if that is the case his resume over 5 seasons in the NHL is a big yikes.

He might think his job is to win sorry. Like players and "ice level" employees, they want to win. Maybe he let "tie goes to win" in his decision making?

[Bubba55]

Sure, but outside of the fact that he coached in college we don't have any evidence that Quinn is good with young players or with player development, and he's also not tactfully/structurally strong.

A coach can have a bad team and still do a bad job. Nothing wrong with this firing if you think there are better options out there for developing your young players (which IMO there are).

Perhaps you're mixing up Grier and Quinn here. Quinn coached the Rangers for 3 years, was successful in the AHL and at Boston College in the NCAA developing young players. Mike Grier had ZERO actual GM experience when he was hired. He had a total of 4 years head office experience, none of it as a GM and only got a taste of GM duties in his brief tenure with the Rangers. He was never even an Assistant NHL GM. Zero NHL GM experience. The wrong guy was fired IMO.

[rataylor22]

Perhaps you're mixing up Grier and Quinn here. Quinn coached the Rangers for 3 years, was successful in the AHL and at Boston College in the NCAA developing young players. Mike Grier had ZERO actual GM experience when he was hired. He had a total of 4 years head office experience, none of it as a GM and only got a taste of GM duties in his brief tenure with the Rangers. He was never even an Assistant NHL GM. Zero NHL GM experience. The wrong guy was fired IMO.

What success did Quinn have developing players in the AHL? Any examples? Any examples from BC? How about from the NHL, any successful player development stories there? Winning in the AHL =/= successfully developing players. Winning in the NCAA =/= successfully developing players. And obviously and demonstrably winning at either of those levels =/= automatic NHL head coaching success.

Grier almost certainly sucks at his job. But that doesn't mean Quinn is good at his.