Trade: This should be a smash accept ..right?

[pilldoc]

OK ...just received this offer. This should be a smash accept right???

Am I missing something here?

His: Bobrovsky / Makar / Hartman and draft pick (12)
For Mine: Grubauer / Heiskanen / Stutzle and draft pick (9)

My Team and League in Sig:

We are a Keep 5.

So I get the obvious Goalie upgrade and defense upgrade.

I hate to give up Stutzle but I also have Bratt as a potential Keeper. Since Goalies are HUGE in our league my new Keepers would be:

Draisaitl / Bedard / Makar / Bratt / Bob.

Am I over thinking this one???

Long term Stuztle vs. Bratt?

Thoughts?

Many Thanks in advance ....

EDIT:
PS .. Edit my team .. remove UPL / B.Schenn and add Dostal

[Palefa]

I wouldn’t accept this offer, I feel it is Heiskanen and Stutzle vs Makar and marginal players

[Referee3083]

Who are your keepers without doing this trade?

[Belexus75]

yeah this is far from smash accept....Stutzle is best player in the deal already and with tons of room to grow....Heiskanen while is no Makar is much closer to Makar than Hartman is to Stutzle. And when it comes to goalies they are a wash, just depends on a day and which one decides to play well. I own both goalies in my main league and i hate them both lol

[pmorrow]

I don't really love it but it's not a terrible offer. It might make you marginally better, but I'm not even sure of that. And while it's nice to have the best dman in fantasy, Stutzle is right up there at the top of the league in skaters as well. I also don't love that you're giving up the better pick. There could be a way to rework it, but right now this seems meh at best. Even if goalies are important, in a keep 5 there will be some Bob-level guys available to draft every year.

[pilldoc]

Who are your keepers without doing this trade?

Draisaitl / Bedard / Stutzle / Bratt / Heiskanen or trade for a Goalie?

As has been posted by another member of this forum who participates in my League, Goalies are highly valued. I get the volatile nature and uncertainty that goalies bring, however we have several GM's that Keep 2 goalies and we actually had 2 GM's that kept 3 goalies.

If I would would go through with this trade then "potentially" my Keepers would be:

Draisaitl / Bedard / Bratt / Makar / Bob.

Not keeping a goalie I would run the risk of drafting a Tier 4 or Tier 5 goalie. Simply put my goalie situation would be just as bad come draft time as it was this year.

I also get how up and down Bob can be as I have owned him in the past.

Currently I sit 12th out of a 14 team League and I sit at the bottom of nearly all the League Goalie Stats ..... simply put my goalies suck. I have been playing Russian Roulette with both the Seattle and Ottawa tandems ....my saving grace is I snagged Dostal off the waiver wire but at best he will only be 1A/1B tandem in Anaheim. In addition I have no illusions of grandeur that he is a Sorokin / Shester type goalie. However Gibson and his immovable contract is in the way.

Hence the reason I was trying to upgrade my Goalie position for at least the rest of the year and and least giving me something to work with next year.

I sincerely appreciate all the inputs so far.

[pilldoc]

I don't really love it but it's not a terrible offer. It might make you marginally better, but I'm not even sure of that. And while it's nice to have the best dman in fantasy, it's also nice to have one of best players period in fantasy in Stutzle. I also don't love that you're giving up the better pick. There could be a way to rework it, but right now this seems meh at best. Even if goalies are important, in a keep 5 there will be some Bob-level guys available to draft every year.

I get your POV ... for the record in order of availability here were the top goalies available come our draft time.

Andersen / Hill / Talbot / Grubauer / Binnington / Swayman / Raanta / Merzlikins

Swayman was drafted #1 overall by the GM ahead of me. Hindsight being 20/20 I could have drafted Hill but another GM had Thompson as a Keeper and was firm in not trading him. It still would have been a 1A/1B situation .

In all honestly despite how unpredictable Bob can be, I would take him over all the goalies listed above.

Like I said ... I do get your POV ... so thank you for your input.

[pilldoc]

Stutzle is best player in the deal already and with tons of room to grow....Heiskanen while is no Makar is much closer to Makar

If I am hearing you correctly you believe Stutzle, in the long run will be the better player than Bratt and Heiskanen is not that much behind Makar and would only be a marginal upgrade?

[Referee3083]

Draisaitl / Bedard / Stutzle / Bratt / Heiskanen or trade for a Goalie?

As has been posted by another member of this forum who participates in my League, Goalies are highly valued. I get the volatile nature and uncertainty that goalies bring, however we have several GM's that Keep 2 goalies and we actually had 2 GM's that kept 3 goalies.

If I would would go through with this trade then "potentially" my Keepers would be:

Draisaitl / Bedard / Bratt / Makar / Bob.

You know your league best. So to me, this somewhat comes down to how valuable Bob is compared to what you’ve got. If he’s as big of a step up as what you’re saying, I’m going against the grain here and saying you should take the deal. I like the 5 keepers you would have better than the five keepers you currently have. Plus Makar is the best player in the deal, and that’s always one of the best practices preached on these boards.

Sometimes in a limited keeper league you need to make small, incremental trades to keep moving up and consolidating your players to get the best talent. I think that’s what you’re doing here. Yea Heiskenen is closer to Makar, but he’s not Makar, so that’s an upgrade. And the goalie is an upgrade (this is the real thing you need to evaluate). But those are at the cost of Stutzle and a minor pick downgrade.

Absolute worst case, if you do the deal I think you could flip Makar for something even more valuable than you could for Heiskenen.

[Belexus75]

If I am hearing you correctly you believe Stutzle, in the long run will be the better player than Bratt and Heiskanen is not that much behind Makar and would only be a marginal upgrade?

stutzle is already better than bratt by quite a margin and yes heiskanen is a very good D man

[tweetdrivr]

This would be a very bad trade for you. Do not do it.

[Eskimo Brother]

I think what you're not considering here is Bob's age, and that next year he may not be much better than any other tier 4 goalie anyways. So no I don't do this deal either, and I've been in league were goalies are worth more than gold. Still doesn't add up here. What are the top goalies on the wire so we can get a sense of that depth?

[Pengwin7]

It's an accept for me.
Keep5 is shallow, so you have to weight your keepers by where they slot:

1. Bedard
2. Draisaitl
3. (let's talk)

In a 7F/3D league, Makar is the top keeper D-man. He's had a bit of a shaky start, but he's the guy.
So he's an upgrade on your #3 spot.
As for goalie - Bob IS the guy for Florida... and he'll be even better once Ekblad, Montour are back... which is soon.

SEA had a blip of a good year, but they aren't this good.
You have a chance at a championship this year - maybe next - with Bob.
(There was a couple threads earlier this year with goalie rankings... I put Bob near top of mine and got some blowback... I think he's solid for 2-3 more years, that's enough in partial keeper).

And Bratt... Bratt is fine.
Yes - he's obvious downgrade to Stutzle (your 3rd F keeper)... but who cares... finding the next F keeper is fun.
That's your fringe keeper - and I guarantee somebody rises up.

Yes - Stutzle is a 90pt player.
And Bratt is an 80pt player.

But Makar is a 70pt D.
And Heiskanen is a 60pt D.

And you get Bob.

So... yeah... for me - smash Accept.
You'll have fun poking around for a Bratt replacement over next year or two...
And Bob's still going to give you 2+ years... his style is keeping - and FLA is solid.
I don't see him falling off a goalie cliff.

[stevegamer]

I would take this for the following reasons:

1. I prefer Makar/Bratt to Heiskanen/Stutzle. I'm sure Makar & Stutzle are keeps in a keep 5. I'm not sure of the other two in a keep 5, and I'd probably lean that they are both fringe keepers.
2. Bobrovsky > Grubauer by plenty.

[J0e Th0rnton]

Full disclosure. I was the one who made the offer. I am getting offers left right and center for Bob, so I went out and made a few of my own.

It fell through because I ended up trading Makar + 1st for Mackinnon + 3rd today.

But my reasoning was trying to find ways to benefit both teams and at the time I only had 1 LW eligible player. Its a 14 team league where goalie cats count for 40% of the categories so everyone keeps 2, sometimes 3 goalies. The waiver wire is bare. The top guys on waivers are Blackwood, Quick and Montembleau. Even Mrazek and Gibson are eagerly rostered lol

Maurice likes to workhorse his goalies. Lyon is gone and Spencer knight is demoted. Bob is on a strong team with the top 2 Dmen out injured and is still winning and he played amazing in the playoffs all the way to the finals. Its valuable in this league because of volume categories.

Doc was running a bit of a goalie carousel. At times holding 5 goalies when you can hold 16 players total. Korpisalo, Forsberg, Grubauer, Daccord, and Dostal. He dropped Forsberg, but is still holding 4 goalies. Bob for Grubauer would allow him to drop Daccord and roll with 3 goalies, and thus, have another spot for offense.

Ive personally been rostering Kochetkov since trading for him at the beginning of the season hoping one of Andersen or Raanta went down, and now Andersen is out with blood clots. Heaven knows I am a huge Kochetkov fan and I believe he is going to be amazing so i was willing to gamble on him lol.

Bob to Grubauer is a significant downgrade in a league that favors workhorse goalies as far as I was concerned when I made the offer. Last few years when Lyon or Spencer knight were challenging Bob for the crease? Sure his value was lower. Now with Maurice coaching? Different story. Maurice will absolutely ride you once you earn his favor. He once started Andrew Raycroft 72 games in a single season and then the next season started Vesa Toskala 64 times lol

Hi Doc!

Figured you wouldn't mind me jumping in since that deal is now defunct lol