Sens to forefeit 1st round pick - Dadonov trade

[PenguinHunter]

The Senators are set to lose a 1st round pick as discipline for their 2021 trade involving Dadonov to the Vegas Golden Knights.

If I recall correctly, Vegas tried to trade him to Anaheim and it was something to do with the No-Trade Clause in the contract that wasn't forwarded to Vegas.



Sounds like Ottawa gets to chose one of 2024, 2025 or 2026 to forfeit their pick.

[chuckcouples]

Who wants to bet that Ottawa pushes this back to the 2026 draft and then the NHL says they don't need to forfeit the pick anymore before the 2026 draft?

[SeaDawg]

Who wants to bet that Ottawa pushes this back to the 2026 draft and then the NHL says they don't need to forfeit the pick anymore before the 2026 draft?

What's the reasoning behind this?

[chuckcouples]

It's the NHL way! Remember when New Jersey forfeited their first round pick for the Kovalchuk contract? Oh wait, that was rescinded before they actually lost the pick.

[PenguinHunter]

The part of the situation that I don't understand is how all the blame is put on Ottawa.

Or did Ottawa provide a inaccurate list to Vegas?

The No-Trade Clause is obviously part of the contract.
So did no one in the management/legal departments read the contract.

And if they did read the contract - they would have saw that there was a No-Trade Clause.
And that there should be a list. So if they didn't have a list, should they not try to obtain it?

It almost seems like Ottawa is getting disciplined for a lack of due-diligence on the part of Vegas.

[finnys_fanatsy]

there were rumblings on Sirius NHL channel that there would be pushback from Michael Andlauer on this, citing he just paid nearly $1B for the team and deserves some leeway. i honesty doubt this has any legs and seems like a longshot in the dark that it will work but....

[PenguinHunter]

there were rumblings on Sirius NHL channel that there would be pushback from Michael Andlauer on this, citing he just paid nearly $1B for the team and deserves some leeway. i honesty doubt this has any legs and seems like a longshot in the dark that it will work but....

Would that be something 'material' that should have been disclosed by the NHL at the time of sale?

I can't see the Senators giving up their 2026 draft pick - if the McKenna kid is as good as people are claiming.

[SeaDawg]

It's the NHL way! Remember when New Jersey forfeited their first round pick for the Kovalchuk contract? Oh wait, that was rescinded before they actually lost the pick.

ah, ok. I do remember that. I didn't understand what you were implying.

[LawMan]

The part of the situation that I don't understand is how all the blame is put on Ottawa.

Or did Ottawa provide a inaccurate list to Vegas?

The No-Trade Clause is obviously part of the contract.
So did no one in the management/legal departments read the contract.

And if they did read the contract - they would have saw that there was a No-Trade Clause.
And that there should be a list. So if they didn't have a list, should they not try to obtain it?

It almost seems like Ottawa is getting disciplined for a lack of due-diligence on the part of Vegas.

Agreed. I do not get this at all, like what did Ottawa do wrong ?
1. Ottawa traded Dandonov to Vegas, which it was permitted to do. the NT list was a term of Dadonov's contract. Vegas would or OUGHT TO, know this, seems like it would be standard due diligence to request the no trade list for a player you are trading for to ensure a team understands the full value of the player.
2. Vegas acquires Dadonov, at some point should they not ask Dadonov (or his agent) for the NT list directly ?>
3. Vegas tries to trade Dadonov to Ducks, Dadonov blocks trade (as is his right) because Vegas did not check in on the no trade list...

How is any of this Ottawa's fault?
Unless Ottawa failed to disclose the partial NT clause (I think the NHL has a registry of contractual terms) or disclosed an incorrect NT list the rest is on Vegas.
Even if Ottawa did not provide ANY list, how is it not on Vegas to ask for it before completing the trade to acquire him...

Either something is being left out or something is screwy.

[Sherpa]

The part of the situation that I don't understand is how all the blame is put on Ottawa.

Or did Ottawa provide a inaccurate list to Vegas?

The No-Trade Clause is obviously part of the contract.
So did no one in the management/legal departments read the contract.

And if they did read the contract - they would have saw that there was a No-Trade Clause.
And that there should be a list. So if they didn't have a list, should they not try to obtain it?

It almost seems like Ottawa is getting disciplined for a lack of due-diligence on the part of Vegas.

Pretty sure the issue resides entirely with Ottawa representing to Vegas during their trade talks that there was no No-Trade clause attached to the contract. Turns out there was.

My own guess is that Ottawa's legal/contract team didn't have Dadonov's No-Trade list and the contract saved in the same location and made a big/terrible assumption. The timing of the Vegas-Ottawa deal was right at that trade deadline...so they were likely trying to tick all the boxes on clearing a trade quickly. They were in rush mode. It's pure conjecture on my part but it feels like truth to me.

[TheMule_91]

I'm pretty sure Ottawa told Vegas, after Vegas asked Ottawa where it was, that Dadonov either didn't have or did not submit a no-trade list which was false, and Dadonov had submitted a list which included Anaheim.

From what little we know, I don't see how this isn't entirely on Ottawa. Sure, Vegas could have asked Dadonov or his agent if there was a list but maybe they didn't want Dadonov to hear they were trading him just yet? If Ottawa had his no-trade list and told Vegas it didn't exist, that's on Ottawa.

I believe Ottawa is having a conference call now. Maybe we'll get more details in the coming days.

[stevegamer]

Hmm. The NHL waited until the Senators were sold to come out with this.

The shady dealing is being done by the NHL under Bettman.

[Daydream Nation]

Friedman talked about this yesterday with Marek yesterday. Ottawa did not inform Vegas about the 10-team no-trade clause when they acquired Dadonov which is what led to all the confusion with the cancelled trade with Anaheim. Plus, not revealing the details of the no-trade clause also increased Dadonov's value when Vegas initially acquired him.

[LawMan]

I'm pretty sure Ottawa told Vegas, after Vegas asked Ottawa where it was, that Dadonov either didn't have or did not submit a no-trade list which was false, and Dadonov had submitted a list which included Anaheim.

From what little we know, I don't see how this isn't entirely on Ottawa. Sure, Vegas could have asked Dadonov or his agent if there was a list but maybe they didn't want Dadonov to hear they were trading him just yet? If Ottawa had his no-trade list and told Vegas it didn't exist, that's on Ottawa.

I believe Ottawa is having a conference call now. Maybe we'll get more details in the coming days.

Looks like I was wrong... According to the below article:
Dadonov DID have a no-trade list (properly submitted and valid) but Ottawa told Vegas he DID NOT. That is a pretty egregious error.

At the time of the deal, the Knights were led to believe Dadonov didn't have trade protection because he didn't submit his no-trade list to Ottawa in time. It turned out that wasn't true. The list was apparently right on schedule and still very much in play. So when Vegas tried to trade Dadonov to Anaheim last year, it was vetoed because the Ducks were on his no-fly list.

https://thehockeynews.com/nhl/ottawa...ov-trade-mixup

That deserves punishment.

[ericdaoust]

At the time I remember the NHL saying there would be no penalties handed out regarding the trade. I'm guessing some new infromation came to light fairly recently.