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    Yahoo ! H2H keep 6 , 1 win

    Our goalie categories are Wins, GAA, SV%, Shut outs.
    Minimum 4 weekly starts.
    3 active goalie spots on starting lineup.

    In the past my game plan was to meet the 4 weekly starts and that was it.
    Hoping to win 2 of the 4 categories.
    I was relying on my skaters to win enough categories for the match win.

    Only two of the goalie categories are volume stats, wins and shut outs.
    Even though shut outs are far and few between.

    It can be frustrating when starting a stud like Vasilevskiy or any of my starters and giving up 5 or 6 goals at the beginning of the week.
    Then you can kiss goodbye GAA and SV%.

    So the question is would you try to take advantage of the 3 goalie spots and try to max out as many games for the week as possible in an attempt to at least get wins and shut outs and forget about the GAA and SV%.

    Just a thought.
    Yahoo! 10 Team Keep 6, H2H - 1 win
    G, A, SOG, PPP, FOW, H, B, Wins, GAA, Sv%, SHO
    4 weekly goalie appearances minimum
    2C, 2RW, 2LW, 1Ut, 4D, 3G, 6Bench, 2-I/R+, 1NA

    C: Bennett
    LW: E.Kane, Kaprizov
    LW/C: Draisaitl, Stutzle
    RW: Marner
    RW/C: T.Thompson, Necas
    RW/LW: Svechnikov
    D: Dahlin, Bouchard, Sergachev, Gudas
    G: Vasilevskiy , Skinner, Gustavsson



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    Shutouts are rare, efficiency is more important. There's even an argument to be made to mostly put those volume goalie categories in favour of loading up on skaters where there are far more categories and much easier paths to guaranteed volume with peripherals like SOG, FOW, Hits and Blocks.

    In a 12 team league there should be enough quality tandem or backup goalies available to not push too many resources towards those premium starters and instead just let the goalie gods do their thing and focus on locking down the best skaters.
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    I would do exactly what you're doing and just go for the best skater core possible and hope for some wins in the GAA/Sv% side. If you can package together two goalies on a playoff team that won't cost you too much, like Skinner/Campbell or Copley/Talbot, then you have some solid numbers there for three starts a week, and you only have to stream in one more start every once in a while to meet the minimums, and you can work the schedule that way too.
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    I had a bit of this issue last yr in the PQMC. I went into the draft with Oettinger, and ended up drafting Francouz and Georgiev. I figured I could secure a top teams goalies tandem (Colorado), and couple with a volume starter (Oettinger).

    As the season went on obviously Francouz was hurt and Georgiev stole the role. So I ended up going with just the 2 goalies essentially half the season. That worked as I only had 3 min starts, if I had 4 (like you) I wouldn't be doing this.

    I don't think it's a wrong strategy to go with 2 solid goalies, but to draft that plan, in a 4min start league is wrong. You draft a set of goalies and hope to pivot mid-season.

    So like others, I'd go volume, but be open to pivoting mid-season if your volume guys actually turn out strong.
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    W, Saves, S%, GAA, Game Started
    2C, 2LW, 2RW, 4D, 1Util, 2G, 5BN, 2IR, 1IR+, 1NA

    C: Horvat, Trocheck
    LW: J. Robertson, Byfield (C), Guenther
    RW: Pavelski (C), Giroux (C), Svechnikov (LW)
    D: Fox, Makar, Bouchard, Morrissey, Gudas
    Util: Meier (LW, RW)
    G: Oettinger, Georgiev, Samsonov, Woll


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    Quote Originally Posted by metaldude26 View Post
    Shutouts are rare, efficiency is more important. There's even an argument to be made to mostly put those volume goalie categories in favour of loading up on skaters where there are far more categories and much easier paths to guaranteed volume with peripherals like SOG, FOW, Hits and Blocks.

    In a 12 team league there should be enough quality tandem or backup goalies available to not push too many resources towards those premium starters and instead just let the goalie gods do their thing and focus on locking down the best skaters.
    Thank you. With advice from the forum I have recently changed my thoughts towards type of players to draft. Those that help with volume stats as you mentioned, shots, Fow, hits and blocks. With goalies I look to cover my 4 weekly starts and don’t worry about the goalies I have.
    Just wanted to be sure I wasn’t missing out on another way to approach goalies.
    Yahoo! 10 Team Keep 6, H2H - 1 win
    G, A, SOG, PPP, FOW, H, B, Wins, GAA, Sv%, SHO
    4 weekly goalie appearances minimum
    2C, 2RW, 2LW, 1Ut, 4D, 3G, 6Bench, 2-I/R+, 1NA

    C: Bennett
    LW: E.Kane, Kaprizov
    LW/C: Draisaitl, Stutzle
    RW: Marner
    RW/C: T.Thompson, Necas
    RW/LW: Svechnikov
    D: Dahlin, Bouchard, Sergachev, Gudas
    G: Vasilevskiy , Skinner, Gustavsson



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    metaldude26, Eskimo Brother, 2014olympicgold, I’m unable to quantify how much I appreciate the collective advice. Your advice confirms I’m on the right path. Cheers
    Yahoo! 10 Team Keep 6, H2H - 1 win
    G, A, SOG, PPP, FOW, H, B, Wins, GAA, Sv%, SHO
    4 weekly goalie appearances minimum
    2C, 2RW, 2LW, 1Ut, 4D, 3G, 6Bench, 2-I/R+, 1NA

    C: Bennett
    LW: E.Kane, Kaprizov
    LW/C: Draisaitl, Stutzle
    RW: Marner
    RW/C: T.Thompson, Necas
    RW/LW: Svechnikov
    D: Dahlin, Bouchard, Sergachev, Gudas
    G: Vasilevskiy , Skinner, Gustavsson



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    I always favor quality starts over volume with goalies unless the league categories are stacked towards volume. That is, at least one more category of dependable volume than percentage categories. In your setup, there's 2 percentage and 1 reliable volume. As noted above, shutouts are not all that dependable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by senryu View Post
    I always favor quality starts over volume with goalies unless the league categories are stacked towards volume. That is, at least one more category of dependable volume than percentage categories. In your setup, there's 2 percentage and 1 reliable volume. As noted above, shutouts are not all that dependable.
    I’m totally on board with the “True Value Goalie” rankings. Looking at quality starts rather than volume given our league settings for goalies.
    Yahoo! 10 Team Keep 6, H2H - 1 win
    G, A, SOG, PPP, FOW, H, B, Wins, GAA, Sv%, SHO
    4 weekly goalie appearances minimum
    2C, 2RW, 2LW, 1Ut, 4D, 3G, 6Bench, 2-I/R+, 1NA

    C: Bennett
    LW: E.Kane, Kaprizov
    LW/C: Draisaitl, Stutzle
    RW: Marner
    RW/C: T.Thompson, Necas
    RW/LW: Svechnikov
    D: Dahlin, Bouchard, Sergachev, Gudas
    G: Vasilevskiy , Skinner, Gustavsson



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