Erik Karlsson to Pittsburgh [TRADE]

[tweetdrivr]

MTL cleared F and created a bigger G issue.

[ross10019]

MTL cleared F and created a bigger G issue.

Why a bigger G issue? I’m assuming we can just send DeSmith down and if he doesn’t clear waivers so be it, more cap savings on his $1.8m AAV.

Real issue is Primeau right? But that was an issue even before the DeSmith trade.

Maybe I’m missing something.

[evans334]

MTL cleared F and created a bigger G issue.

I don't want to turn this into a MTL G thread, but I'd rather have a surplus in a position of weakness then in a position of strength.

Let the internal competition figure it out and if one is lost on waivers, so be it, they're not the final answer anyways, IMO.

[tweetdrivr]

I don't want to turn this into a MTL G thread, but I'd rather have a surplus in a position of weakness then in a position of strength.

Let the internal competition figure it out and if one is lost on waivers, so be it, they're not the final answer anyways, IMO.

I think Primeau could still be a starter. Your point about letting them compete for it is a great one. And while I don’t get just letting an asset go (goalies who are able to play at the NHL level are just that…although I concede the point that not all these G may be able to) for free is very poor asset management. I don’t see Hughes doing this.

[Belexus75]

I don't want to turn this into a MTL G thread, but I'd rather have a surplus in a position of weakness then in a position of strength.

Let the internal competition figure it out and if one is lost on waivers, so be it, they're not the final answer anyways, IMO.

Let’s be honest here… MTL does not have position of strength anywhere…. Not yet at least…

[evans334]

I think Primeau could still be a starter. Your point about letting them compete for it is a great one. And while I don’t get just letting an asset go (goalies who are able to play at the NHL level are just that…although I concede the point that not all these G may be able to) for free is very poor asset management. I don’t see Hughes doing this.

I doubt it happens also, my point was that if it does, it's not going to shake the core of this team to a point it won't recover.

Team needs a goalie to take the reigns, so I'd rather have DeSmith, Monty and Primeau fighting for the spot instead of Rem Pitlick filling in when players get hurt.

Petry for Hoffman is pretty lateral, but could be argued as an improvement.

[evans334]

Let’s be honest here… MTL does not have position of strength anywhere…. Not yet at least…

[ACC90]

Let’s be honest here… MTL does not have position of strength anywhere…. Not yet at least…

Yes no position of Strength, the only thing I have in mind is their contract structure of Suzuki and Caufield that give a hierarchy for other prospects players when they will sign (Guhle, Slafkovsky and maybe Hutson)

[tweetdrivr]

I doubt it happens also, my point was that if it does, it's not going to shake the core of this team to a point it won't recover.

Team needs a goalie to take the reigns, so I'd rather have DeSmith, Monty and Primeau fighting for the spot instead of Rem Pitlick filling in when players get hurt.

Petry for Hoffman is pretty lateral, but could be argued as an improvement.

Completely agree. I’d just like to see the DeSmith throw in be used for some sort of add and not a waiver loss for a tiny bit of cap space.

[ross10019]

Petry for Hoffman is pretty lateral, but could be argued as an improvement.

Strongly disagree - Petry at the same salary is worth way more than Hoffman to a contender. Hoffman has proven he can't even sustain his prior shooting prowess, I think he's very much a fringe top 6 guy on most teams, more than likely at best a 3rd liner. Meanwhile Petry can still carry a load as at worst a 2nd pairing dman.

[evans334]

Strongly disagree - Petry at the same salary is worth way more than Hoffman to a contender. Hoffman has proven he can't even sustain his prior shooting prowess, I think he's very much a fringe top 6 guy on most teams, more than likely at best a 3rd liner. Meanwhile Petry can still carry a load as at worst a 2nd pairing dman.

Context is important I think and I didn't really provide any to my comment.

In the grand scheme of this team, the young kids are the future, and Petry, while serviceable, serves as a placeholder, same as Hoffman did.

Ultimately both Petry and Hoffman were/are taking spots in the lineups that will eventually be filled in by the younger guys coming up the pipeline.

I have no issue with Petry being on this team, but I see him the same as Hoffman in terms of what they bring to our team now.

They are stop gaps that may actually be taking minutes away from players that should be getting them to help them progress and grow.

[ross10019]

Context is important I think and I didn't really provide any to my comment.

In the grand scheme of this team, the young kids are the future, and Petry, while serviceable, serves as a placeholder, same as Hoffman did.

Ultimately both Petry and Hoffman were/are taking spots in the lineups that will eventually be filled in by the younger guys coming up the pipeline.

I have no issue with Petry being on this team, but I see him the same as Hoffman in terms of what they bring to our team now.

They are stop gaps that may actually be taking minutes away from players that should be getting them to help them progress and grow.

At the risk of further massively hijacking this thread, I just disagree - Petry's trade value at the 2024 trade deadline will be way higher than Hoffman's would have been even with 2 years to go in his contract. Getting Petry at $4.7m for two playoff runs (or for even less if Montreal eats more salary, plus take into account the pro rating at that point) is going to be very enticing to contending teams.

[evans334]

At the risk of further massively hijacking this thread, I just disagree - Petry's trade value at the 2024 trade deadline will be way higher than Hoffman's would have been even with 2 years to go in his contract. Getting Petry at $4.7m for two playoff runs (or for even less if Montreal eats more salary, plus take into account the pro rating at that point) is going to be very enticing to contending teams.

That’s fine. My point wasn’t about Petry’s potential trade value in the future it was about where he fits on the team now, if he’s still on the team.

[tweetdrivr]

I’ll be surprised if camp opens with Petry on the roster and if camp finishes without at least one goalie of the 4 being traded and I’d like to see 2 go.

[random-d]

Is the perceived "injury risk" for Erik Karlsson greatly exaggerated? I count 13 NHL seasons for a possible 976 games (56 for Covid season and 48 for partial lockout) of which he played 920. That rounds out to an average of 4 games injury time per season. Besides some unfortunately unpredictable major injuries that could theoretically happen to anyone and aren't necessarily likely to reoccur that seems like a fairly modest risk to me. Patrick Kane by comparison has missed an average of 4.5 game/season but I don't think most people would stick the "injury risk" tag on him. Or would they?

My math might be a little off but not enough to significantly alter the numbers. (I hope)