Trading Holtz

[Hitchens83]

Not sure what to make of Alexander Holtz. If he gets traded he could be great. If he’s stuck not playing in NJ again he’s a declining asset.

I’m rocking Marc Andre Fleury and Phoenix Copley in net right now (Wallstedt in my minors) and was offered Georgiev for Holtz. What are your thoughts? Points only h2h league.

[senryu]

Based on this information, you have to trade Holtz for Georgiev. A declining unproven prospect for someone who was one of the best goalies last year? Seems to be a miracle offer.

[LuigiC173]

Why is Holtz dead? They have not signed Meier long term and no guarantees they'll want to cripple themselves financially giving him the seven year contract he will easily command. It's a good return but you have to at least let the summer play out before you make any moves.

[PicklePickle]

With your poor goalies, I think you should do it

[senryu]

Why is Holtz dead? They have not signed Meier long term and no guarantees they'll want to cripple themselves financially giving him the seven year contract he will easily command. It's a good return but you have to at least let the summer play out before you make any moves.

Holtz is not dead. But let's not forget the headline, someone is willing to offer a goalie who finished 1st in the NHL in wins, 8th in save percentage, and 14th in GAA (min 20 games) for a guy who has not done anything in the NHL. If you move the slider to 40 games played, Georgiev jumps to 1st, 6th, and 8th, respectively. And the OP's other goalies are Fleury and Copley, two guys who are fringy backups on their own teams. This is a mandatory accept, given the information provided. At worst, you should be able to trade Georgiev for a better prospect than Holtz next season if rebuilding is the OP's goal.

[This Guy]

Your roster doesn't reflect any of those players so I can't tell how good your prospect system is. Even still, I'd do the trade. Holtz may turn out in a few years, but he hasn't done well so far. Georgiev is signed for a few more years on a Cup contending team. He's the 1A there and with Francouz's injuries he's more like the bona fide starter.

[Belexus75]

I think you do this trade cause its good value trade but to say that Holtz is declining talent or dead or whatever is just sad to see really...its young dude who is point per game guy at AHL level and has a chance to be a very good NHLer in next year or 2. If Holtz was done you think you would get Georgiev offer for him?

[Hitchens83]

I think you do this trade cause its good value trade but to say that Holtz is declining talent or dead or whatever is just sad to see really...its young dude who is point per game guy at AHL level and has a chance to be a very good NHLer in next year or 2. If Holtz was done you think you would get Georgiev offer for him?

I mean, I know who Holtz is and how good he is which is why I’m asking and I didn’t auto accept it, but the fact is he played 19 games or something this year with very limited ice time, then sat in the press box all year doing nothing until he was finally sent to the AHL to play 14 games. Can’t be good for his development to just sit and watch all year.

Anyway thanks everyone, seems the consensus is I should do it

[Belexus75]

I mean, I know who Holtz is and how good he is which is why I’m asking and I didn’t auto accept it, but the fact is he played 19 games or something this year with very limited ice time, then sat in the press box all year doing nothing until he was finally sent to the AHL to play 14 games. Can’t be good for his development to just sit and watch all year.

Anyway thanks everyone, seems the consensus is I should do it

its 19 games, i think you are overthinking it..i be surprised if he isnt at worst a solid 2nd liner in NHL for long time...but time will tell

[Gretzky99Orr4]

Yeah getting a starter for that price seems pretty reasonable at the least.

[senryu]

If the OP's question at hand is whether to trade Holtz for Georgiev, then, as stated above, I think the answer is an easy yes.

If the OP's question is whether Holtz is a good prospect, the answer to that is also yes. Holtz' picture isn't as rosy as it was on draft day, but as mentioned above, 62 points in 66 AHL games these past two years is a very positive sign. How New Jersey's summer shakes out will have an impact as to whether Holtz will get good NHL traction this autumn.

[Hitchens83]

If the OP's question at hand is whether to trade Holtz for Georgiev, then, as stated above, I think the answer is an easy yes.

If the OP's question is whether Holtz is a good prospect, the answer to that is also yes. Holtz' picture isn't as rosy as it was on draft day, but as mentioned above, 62 points in 66 AHL games these past two years is a very positive sign. How New Jersey's summer shakes out will have an impact as to whether Holtz will get good NHL traction this autumn.

100%, very high on Holtz. Just worried NJ is going to ruin him by not using him. He should have been in the AHL all season if he was just gonna sit in the press box all year in New Jersey. Hopefully he has more opportunity next year.

[senryu]

100%, very high on Holtz. Just worried NJ is going to ruin him by not using him. He should have been in the AHL all season if he was just gonna sit in the press box all year in New Jersey. Hopefully he has more opportunity next year.

There's another way to interpret Holtz's scratches, in that NJ knows that Holtz is better than the AHL but not 100% ready for full time NHL exposure. Almost there, close enough that NJ wanted him nearby. Don't worry about the loss of development time to scratches. If Holtz is yo-yo'd for the next season-plus, then worry. But for a prospect of Holtz' pedigree, getting a chance at age 21 or so is within a normal development timeframe.

[PoolPartyPuljeejarvi]

9m very high on Holtz still- but there's no way you can pass on that...

[stevegamer]

I'd take that offer. Your goalies are a guy who is the starter on his team in error (Fleury) and a guy who played well enough to get a NHL contract for next year (Copley). I'm saying this a s guy woth Copley in multiple dynasty leagues, one where he carried me into the playoffs.