Rank these stud goalies

[Axeman33]

There are goalies not listed here that also make up the tiers.
Top tier:
Shesterkin
Vasilevskiy

Second tier:
Sorokin - I need to see more team success

--stud goalie cutoff--

Third tier - non-stud:
Nobody you posted is here, yet.

Fourth tier - non-stud:
Samsonov - he can get to the third tier by cementing the starting job over the perennially overrated Matt Murray for the rest of this year and next.

Couldn't agree more with this entire post.

[BreadManPanarin]

I definitely agree that Samsonov is 4th out of the 4 right now, but the responses in this thread also make me feel like he might still be a decent buy-low candidate.

Goals Saved Above Average per 60 for goalies with at least 25 starts this year:
1st - Ullmark .894
2nd - Sorokin .686
3rd - Hellebuyck .588
4th - Saros .544
5th - Vasilevskiy .525
6th - Hart .484
7th - Samsonov .457
8th - Oettinger .446
9th - Vejmelka .432
10th - Shesterkin .431

Samsonov's potential, especially if he is the #1 for the Leafs for the next 3+ years, is sky-high.

[lucafen4]

Shesty
Vasil
Sorokin (only because of W as a cat)
Samsonov - team needs more consistent D structure in front of him. Get back to Nov hockey & then he'll provide consistently comparable numbers. He was suppose to be as good as the other 3 when drafted - the most upside remaining?

[chuckcouples]

I definitely agree that Samsonov is 4th out of the 4 right now, but the responses in this thread also make me feel like he might still be a decent buy-low candidate.

Goals Saved Above Average per 60 for goalies with at least 25 starts this year:
1st - Ullmark .894
2nd - Sorokin .686
3rd - Hellebuyck .588
4th - Saros .544
5th - Vasilevskiy .525
6th - Hart .484
7th - Samsonov .457
8th - Oettinger .446
9th - Vejmelka .432
10th - Shesterkin .431

Samsonov's potential, especially if he is the #1 for the Leafs for the next 3+ years, is sky-high.

Now do this for the previous season and let me know what you think of Samsonov.

[BreadManPanarin]

Now do this for the previous season and let me know what you think of Samsonov.

Past performance is not indicative of future results, especially for a still-young and still-developing goalie. Particularly one who had extremely high pedigree.

If Linus Ullmark can go from a pretty meh age 28 season to a league-best absolutely dominant age 29 season, then certainly there is a chance that Samsonov can go from a shitty age 24 season to a very good age 25 season to multiple dominant seasons over the next decade. Whether he will or not is a totally different story.

Like I said, I have him ranked last of the four. I just think the <tier break><tier break><tier break> stuff that I am seeing between him and the others indicates he might still be able to be acquired relatively cheap while also having pretty significant upside.

[stevegamer]

I agree that he has upside, which is was I gave that specific note in my rankings, but he's two issues to be a stud goalie:

1. He's not specifically "the man" on his team. That cuts down on workload. He's also not signed beyond this year, and that means he could end up in a worse spot team-wise.

2. He hasn't shown this level of quality before, and while one can say "past performance is not indicative of future results" in many fields; it absolutely holds up when people are performing at previously seen levels.

Therefore, he's the least proven and in the least certain situation. Being on Toronto means he's only cheap if he's not doing great and/or Murray is the supposed starter.

I definitely would be looking to get him if the price was right, though.