[EXTENDED] JT Miller 7x$8

[ross10019]

Severenson is older and also ufa to be, will cost Myers $ or more, no thanks.

your points are correct, but all hinges on this idea of potential deals available, and they didnÂ’t materialize. Is that b/c management blew it, or they deals were not actually there? Who knows. The rumoured NYR deal did not excite. Schneider is the guy the canucks need, and nyr not giving him, rightly so. Same with Dobson. That young stud RHD was arguably the only thing worth moving your leading scorer for, and they were also in a PO hunt at the deadline, making it harder to move him. Trading for all futures wouldve been bad b/c youre sending a de-motivating message to the group, and those futures wont be ripe until theyre arguably past the window.

The way i see it, there were 5 options with Miller, in order of preference —
1. Trade him for good value
2. Sign him for good value
3. Trade him for poor value
4. Lose him for nothing next summer
5. Sign him for poor value

so, in all, #2 not too bad.

the interesting thing is his no-move doesnt kick in until next summer, so they can still trade him for a year — arguably suitors should be still engaged, if not moreso, considering the extension is decent value.

id like to see something around Garland for Carlo, Peeke or McMichael ..
but could do Severson i suppose and gamble w ufa status, but dont love it. Need to get away from Myers, Pearson, Dickinson contracts to get some cap breathing room. But of course issue with Myers is you need to fill that 22 mins.

the criticism about this signing (fairly) is that this locks them into a 5-year window max, as MillerÂ’s utility aligns with Demko and Hughes contracts. After that theyÂ’ll have to blow it up, whereas trading him and focusing on the under-27 core wouldve extended that window. And of that window is pretty tight for a team thatÂ’s barely sniffed the playoffs.

Solid points, good to see you here bud!

[Axeman33]

I am excited to revisit this and many other comments after this year. I think people are sleeping on the Canucks. I expect them to be in the playoffs for sure and possible challenging for the division. Calgary is going to need time to gel with their new identity, the Oilers depth still severely lacks and Vegas luster has all but tarnished.

Heck for three straight years we either had the Calder winner or the runner up. Demko is looking like a top 10 goalie in the league and our young wingers keep improving.

Considering the West really isn't that strong, making or not making the playoffs this year will say alot about this team going forward.

[Canucks_fan18]

Considering the West really isn't that strong, making or not making the playoffs this year will say alot about this team going forward.

Agreed. If they don't make the playoffs barring any real bad luck with injuries than you might see guys like Boeser and Horvat exit the team. Playoffs need to be a min for us. Which is kind of crazy considering as much as I think and I am hedging that they will surprise, their still in that 10 to 6th place range. The fanbase is just too impatient at the moment to keep dragging this along. I am not trading Hughes or Demko no matter how we finish, unless they greatly regress, outside of that not making the playoffs would put everyone on notice.

[saucelife90]

A team locked up their best player @ $8M/year and somehow people think that's an L?

[2014olympicgold]

A team locked up their best player @ $8M/year and somehow people think that's an L?

Kessel was extended as the best player when he was a Leaf. Sometimes it's not the right move if your goal is the Stanley Cup. However each franchise secretly has an acceptable goal each season that's sometimes not the Stanley Cup, and in those cases extending a player makes sense if it doesn't move the needle nearly enough.

[saucelife90]

Kessel wasn't Toronto's issue. Miller isn't Vancouver's issue.

Also, Kessel signed for $8M 9 years ago, and Miller is signing for $8M now. Thank you for strengthening the argument that this was a great signing.

[kovalchuk17]

One underrated aspect to this signing is that the Canucks need to make the playoffs to make some money for the owner.

BC had some of the strictest covid measures in North America and as a result ALOT of games were played with non-full capacity stadiums. The Aquilini's made their money in real estate (primarily residential) which also includes Office and Retail which got wrecked by covid. They also operate a high-end group of restaurants (including Blue Water Cafe and Elisa Steakhouse to woo Kuzmenko) which also took a beating during covid. They do not have much Industrial which has been on fire during covid times.

Its pretty clear noone stepped up with a package worth trading Miller. Miller did not get that 8th year and a 8m AAV is likely way less than Miller's initial ask so the Canucks got some small wins there.

[stevegamer]

Another thing that some people have mentioned is that this deal kicks in NEXT year.

If the Canucks are out of the playoff chase, which has more value: Miller on an expiring deal or Miller with a 7 year $8 million extension already signed. It's the latter.

Anyone who thinks this was a bad signing is either out of touch or assuming career altering injury.

[Daydream Nation]

Another thing that some people have mentioned is that this deal kicks in NEXT year.

If the Canucks are out of the playoff chase, which has more value: Miller on an expiring deal or Miller with a 7 year $8 million extension already signed. It's the latter.

Anyone who thinks this was a bad signing is either out of touch or assuming career altering injury.

I know it has been mentioned before but has any team dealt a player BEFORE his new deal with a NMC kicked in? Seems like that is a move players wouldn't forget about for a long, long time.

[kovalchuk17]

I know it has been mentioned before but has any team dealt a player BEFORE his new deal with a NMC kicked in? Seems like that is a move players wouldn't forget about for a long, long time.

I believe Jeff Carter to the Blue Jackets? Possibly Mike Richards also?

[stevegamer]

I believe Jeff Carter to the Blue Jackets? Possibly Mike Richards also?

Carter yes, Richards no - his new deal was in force, but the NMC hadn't kicked in.

[rataylor22]

Wild that people think this contract is under market value lol. Your opinion on the contract probably depends on what you think of Vancouver as a team, but there’s no discount on the contract.

[tripel]

Wild that people think this contract is under market value lol. Your opinion on the contract probably depends on what you think of Vancouver as a team, but there’s no discount on the contract.

well, comparables are Hertl, Forsberg, Zibby, Couturier; and Millers stats are in line or better, esp considering peripherals, so i guess your comment makes sense if you mean you’re negatively predisposed

[Axeman33]

Another thing that some people have mentioned is that this deal kicks in NEXT year.

If the Canucks are out of the playoff chase, which has more value: Miller on an expiring deal or Miller with a 7 year $8 million extension already signed. It's the latter.

Anyone who thinks this was a bad signing is either out of touch or assuming career altering injury.

Marek and Friedman were talking about this on the 32 Thoughts podcast. Marek thinks this might make hom even more appealing because he comes with term.

Who knows.

[2014olympicgold]

Kessel wasn't Toronto's issue. Miller isn't Vancouver's issue.

Also, Kessel signed for $8M 9 years ago, and Miller is signing for $8M now. Thank you for strengthening the argument that this was a great signing.

Missed the point of my post. But if you want dollar figure compatibles, how about:
- OEL in 2018. Signed at 27yrs old, 8yr 8.25m
- Forsberg 8yrs, 8.5m at 27yrs old
- Hertl 8yrs 8.137m at 28yrs old
- Zibanejad 8yrs, 8.5m at 29yrs old
- Duchene 7yrs 8m at 28yrs old
- Wheeler 5yrs, 8.25m at 32yrs old
- Couture 8yrs 8m at 30yrs old

Zibanejad is prolly the only guy on that list where the team has a legit Cup shot. Sometimes signing a player to a deal that makes sense isn't beneficial to the teams chances at winning a cup. That's my point.

Miller's deal is solid. He is definitely worth that contract for the first half of the deal. But are the Canucks a Stanley Cup threat? Prolly not. Do they have a better chance with Miller? Yeah. Would they have a higher chance at winning the cup in the future with assets acquired by trading Miller? They might. But this also depends on what was actually offered to them, and we might not know that for years.

But Canucks goal isn't about winning the cup, it's about competing, having a strong team to draw fans in and generate revenue after a tough 2-3yrs (my guess). I hope my train of thought makes sense now that I used different names than Kessel.