Reply With QuoteWhat site are you using? On Yahoo you should just be able to cancel the waiver claim prior to it becoming official.Originally Posted by Pennies
But I feel like you're on Fantrax in which case I am no expert.
Renege on waiver claim?
I’m in a salary cap league with 12 teams. I made a claim on a player that was sent to the farm team. We have to wait 3 days before adding to our roster, for other claims and such. Now say, on day 2, I no longer want to claim him, should I be allowed to just renege on my claim?
Can this actually happen in the NHL?
This player will go to my farm where I’ll either have to eat 1/2 his contract ( because he’s not an ELC) or he will have to go back thru waivers to be added to my roster.
Keeper Salary Cap 83.5 13 teams use AAV FOR SALARIES = 3c, 3rw, 3lw, 4d, 1g and 5 bench+ up to 7 farm. G-1,A-1,PIM-.1,+/-=.2, Blk -.1,Hit-.05 Goalies- W-2,GA=-1,SV-.1,SO-3
G- Hellebuyck, Saros
LW- Barbanov, Bratt, Tolvanen
RW- Rantanen, Draisaitl, Zuccarello
C- W. Johnson, Jarvis, Rossi
D- Petry, Heiskanen, Durzi, Gustafsson
Bench- Greig, Benson,
Farm- Clarke, Edvinsson, Nazar, W.Smith
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Re: Renege on waiver claim?
What site are you using? On Yahoo you should just be able to cancel the waiver claim prior to it becoming official.
But I feel like you're on Fantrax in which case I am no expert.
Re: Renege on waiver claim?
No I’m on Yahoo. I’m just wondering from a ethics point of view. Would this be allowed in any other Hockeypool?
Is it allowed in the NHL? Can they cancel a waiver claim?
Keeper Salary Cap 83.5 13 teams use AAV FOR SALARIES = 3c, 3rw, 3lw, 4d, 1g and 5 bench+ up to 7 farm. G-1,A-1,PIM-.1,+/-=.2, Blk -.1,Hit-.05 Goalies- W-2,GA=-1,SV-.1,SO-3
G- Hellebuyck, Saros
LW- Barbanov, Bratt, Tolvanen
RW- Rantanen, Draisaitl, Zuccarello
C- W. Johnson, Jarvis, Rossi
D- Petry, Heiskanen, Durzi, Gustafsson
Bench- Greig, Benson,
Farm- Clarke, Edvinsson, Nazar, W.Smith
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Re: Renege on waiver claim?
I don't think the NHL or any other pro league would allow that if you've already been awarded the player, because it completely screws with things.
To be clear, if you haven't won the player yet, you should, in theory be able to cancel the claim with no harm done. If you've been awarded the player, he's yours.
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Re: Renege on waiver claim?
I have one more day before I’m awarded the player. Just wondering if I’m opening a can of worms by doing this. Not sure it would fly by the commish in our league as it’s never been done before. It could really hose the leader of our league as he would have to account for that half a salary on his farm and he’s already signed 2 other players. He pretty tight against the cap already.
Keeper Salary Cap 83.5 13 teams use AAV FOR SALARIES = 3c, 3rw, 3lw, 4d, 1g and 5 bench+ up to 7 farm. G-1,A-1,PIM-.1,+/-=.2, Blk -.1,Hit-.05 Goalies- W-2,GA=-1,SV-.1,SO-3
G- Hellebuyck, Saros
LW- Barbanov, Bratt, Tolvanen
RW- Rantanen, Draisaitl, Zuccarello
C- W. Johnson, Jarvis, Rossi
D- Petry, Heiskanen, Durzi, Gustafsson
Bench- Greig, Benson,
Farm- Clarke, Edvinsson, Nazar, W.Smith
IR- Pelletier
Re: Renege on waiver claim?
You are under no obligation to keep a claim that hasn’t been awarded yet. Failure to reverse your claim is on you.
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Re: Renege on waiver claim?
Would anyone even know that you submitted and cancelled the claim? I don't think there is anything ethically wrong with it as long as you haven't been awarded the player.
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Re: Renege on waiver claim?
We had a deal. Are you reneging out of the deal? Are you reneging? That's a renege.
Re: Renege on waiver claim?
Maybe run it past the Commish in your league? You're asking if you can and if you should. It sounds like you can, but you're worried about the optics?
If the player doesn't show on your roster yet, I don't see a problem with cancelling it. I don't see how the other team's cap situation is your problem, unless you had a deal with them to do it?
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Re: Renege on waiver claim?
ya im not fully understanding of this one. unless the league can see your claim, and he's officially not yours yet, your not reneging on anything. the waiver hasn't been processed so no harm.
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Re: Renege on waiver claim?
The whole league knows I’ve put in a claim.
Keeper Salary Cap 83.5 13 teams use AAV FOR SALARIES = 3c, 3rw, 3lw, 4d, 1g and 5 bench+ up to 7 farm. G-1,A-1,PIM-.1,+/-=.2, Blk -.1,Hit-.05 Goalies- W-2,GA=-1,SV-.1,SO-3
G- Hellebuyck, Saros
LW- Barbanov, Bratt, Tolvanen
RW- Rantanen, Draisaitl, Zuccarello
C- W. Johnson, Jarvis, Rossi
D- Petry, Heiskanen, Durzi, Gustafsson
Bench- Greig, Benson,
Farm- Clarke, Edvinsson, Nazar, W.Smith
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Re: Renege on waiver claim?
im still unsure how salary plays in here, with regards to the dropping GM (if im reading it right, the leading GM is the one who dropped em?)
are you saying that IF he gets to your farm roster, you only have to pay half his salary while the previous owner retains the other?
or the leading GM is the next in line in the claim?
either way if you don't want him, cancel your claim, let the others worry about their own cap issues...
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C- Zegras, Suzuki, Carlsson
RW- Batherson, Michkov, Quinn, Perfetti(C,LW), Foerster, Kakko
LW- BTkachuk, Stutzle(C), Byfield(C), McTavish(C), Benson
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Re: Renege on waiver claim?
I don't really understand the situation here but in the NHL a team who claims a player on waivers can waive him the next day. It happened back in February of this year when the Leafs claimed Adam Brooks and then waived him two days later.
As for your league specifically. There's a big difference between saying you will do something and actually doing it.
If the league rules say that you have to wait 3 days before claiming a guy off of waivers, then you have not actually put in a claim until that time has passed.
If the rules state that you put in a claim and the team that claims the player gets the player 3 days later, then you would not be able to renege on your claim since it has already been deemed a successful claim.
If the rules are not clear and Yahoo allows you to cancel the claim before it is processed, then that is the rule (unless a different precedent had been set).
How is the other team allowed to pick up more salary and go over the salary cap while the waived player is still on his roster? That doesn't make any sense to me.
Re: Renege on waiver claim?
I'm not sure, but I'd say if Yahoo allows you to do it, with no outside interference, then it's ok. If it becomes an issue after that then your commish can make sure when he does the setup next year he doesn't allow it.
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Re: Renege on waiver claim?
I don't think you'll get good advice here because nobody understands your league. Because you haven't explained it well. (Is that deliberate).
How would cancelling your a waiver impact somebody else's cap? That makes no sense to most people.
My instinct is that you have no rule to address this because people just assume once you put in a claim, it's a claim.
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