Provorov vs Hronek

[Big Ben]

Hi!
Who do you prefer between these 2?
Keeper, pts-only, goal=2pts, assist=1pt
Thanks

[Belexus75]

Provorov he is #1 for years on Philly

Hornek will be #2 by end of this year and #3 at best in 2 years or so...

[Swarley]

I’d also choose provorov

[Feenom]

Provorov is still a big piece on the Flyers. I see Hronek doing well but more of a #2-3 complimentary role. Provorov has 50G in last 5 seasons as well so that helps.

[stevegamer]

Provorov by a bit for me, both in real-life and fantasy. He's now the #2 D on the Flyers, understand that Ellis is the man after the trade. There's a real chance he's the #3 in good deployment behind Ristolainen.

I"m very leery of the Flyers off-season moves, however. I could see him losing all power-play time if things go stupidly.

[Big Ben]

Thanks for all the answers!
I still think that in fantasy, it’s closer than what people say, because of Ellis/Risto/Yandle
In real life, it’s Provorov all the way

[Bubba55]

Thanks for all the answers!
I still think that in fantasy, it’s closer than what people say, because of Ellis/Risto/Yandle
In real life, it’s Provorov all the way

I agree with this. I'm not sure why Hronek is not getting any love because IMO as well it is much closer than you might think. I'd like someone to explain to me how Hronek, as some have suggested, just fades away into fantasy irrelevance and is not a top pairing D for the Wings????? If the answer is Seider, I disagree.

[Feenom]

We are also assuming Provorov fades into oblivion and gives way to guys like Risto and others. I see him still garnering PP1 time. Ellis doesn’t scare me as a Provorov owner. Hronek could always improve on his numbers but has been underwhelming so far, but he is young. With all those forwards coming he could be pushed out of PP time. But just a guess. And I still think Provorov will out goal Hronek which is important for the set up. Yes it is closer than you think but still not enough for me.

[Swarley]

Thanks for all the answers!
I still think that in fantasy, it’s closer than what people say, because of Ellis/Risto/Yandle
In real life, it’s Provorov all the way

I also agree that it’s close but provorov has been better so far so why not stick with him. Trying to guess what one D man will get pp1 time is hard to do. So if they both keep it, I prefer provorov. If they both lose pp1 I prefer provorov and his goal scoring. The only way I’d take hronek over provorov is if you knew somehow he was gonna be on pp1 and provorov isn’t. My best guess is they both keep there pp1 gig and it’s theirs to lose.

[Bubba55]

I also agree that it’s close but provorov has been better so far so why not stick with him. Trying to guess what one D man will get pp1 time is hard to do. So if they both keep it, I prefer provorov. If they both lose pp1 I prefer provorov and his goal scoring. The only way I’d take hronek over provorov is if you knew somehow he was gonna be on pp1 and provorov isn’t. My best guess is they both keep there pp1 gig and it’s theirs to lose.

Provorov has been marginally better, and he is a year older. That's fine. I think everyone is agreed that PP time here is likely what swings this one way or the other. I'll say this again, right now there is no one in the Wings organization, that I'm aware of, that can seriously challenge Hronek for that PP time. If he shits the bed, OK, but his development has been solid, no he didn't go off like Makar or others, but he is trending toward being a .5 pt/game D man this year with additional upside on an improving Red Wings Squad in the next few years. On the other hand, we have a Philly backend that has been totally revamped. Ghost, speaking of shitting the bed, made Provorov the obvious choice for PP with minimal pressure from Sanhiem. Now, enter Ryan Ellis and Keith Yandle. I'm having real trouble believing that Provorov is a lock for PP1. As someone mentioned, he could end up with very little PP time at all as both Yandle and Ellis have historically proven that they are more than capable of filling that role. To make things more interesting there is little doubt that Provorov is a much more complete D man than Hronek. You could add Ellis and Yandle to that statement as well. He can and has played tough minutes and I would suggest he will continue to fill that roll and the Flyers certainly have the luxury of deploying him that way with the additions of Yandle and Ellis. We'll see how all this plays out, but I would not be surprised if Hronek has the better value in a pts only.

[Big Ben]

Bubba is right on the spot!
Provorov has a nicer pedigree and is the best of the 2 ON the ice
But in fantasy pts-only, his responsabilities and the other dmen in his team make him less valuable than what we can imagine
As for Hronek, he did a great job on a poor Détroit team (26pts, leader in Detroit!). Seider and Leddy will be new addition on the D squad, but I think his job and PP Time are safe
If I could trade Provorov for Hronek +, I would definitly do it

[Bubba55]

The Flyers PP last year was in the bottom half of the league. I'm thinking the Flyers would likely want to improve on that. Sure looks to me like the Flyers have addressed that. Enter both Ellis and Yandle. I'm also thinking that both Ellis and Yandle were not signed to play the hard minutes, they were signed to improve the Flyers PP and improve their back end 5 v 5. Ellis, even playing second fiddle to Josi was extremely effective on the PP and 5 v 5. Yandle, well, I think his numbers over the years speak for themselves. Yandle is with the Flyers as a PP specialist and I suspect Ellis is the next guy on the PP. Speaking of hard minutes, this is where Provorov shines. He does not shine on the PP the Flyers needed to upgrade and they have.

[rjfisher83]

As a Provorov owner, I was very displeased to see the trades Philly made to add to their back-end this off-season.

When Ghostisbehere was on the team, and pooping the bed like mentioned earlier in this thread, Philly still REFUSED to put Provorov on PP1 consistently and kept trotting out Ghost.

My assumption is Yandle mans PP1 and Ellis and Provorov are on PP2. I hope I'm wrong and Philly finally learns and unleashes the beast that is Provorov, but I'm not holding my breath.