Mark Stone or Shea Theodore [REP]

[evans334]

Evansville Icemen team in the sig.

I may have an opportunity to move Mark Stone for some picks and/or prospects.

I'd end up keeping Shea Theodore instead.

Do I hold on Stone or is the downgrade not that bad?

[PenguinHunter]

I think there are lots of benefits to making this trade.

Stone's value right now is probably the highest it will every be. So the best return you are going to get is right now.

Take a look at other NHL power forwards that are not the best of skaters and how quickly they go from prominent NHLers to bottom six guys - Lucic, Neal, Simmonds.

So at what age does Stone start dropping off like those guys? Sure probably not for a couple years.... but I think it will happen long before his contract is up.

Theodore's value is on the rise and I still think he is going to be a very good NHL defenseman. He was top 10 in NHL scoring for Defenseman this year and is a legit PP1 guy.

Then there is is the age difference in your favour as well... Theodore is only 24 (almost 25) and Stone is 28. Youth prevails, especially like when I mentioned earlier that Stone type players seem to age faster.

And there is also the position scarcity of top D-men. Finding a top scoring D is always harder than finding a top scoring forward.

So as long as the pick and prospect package isn't Nail Yakupov, a 8th round pick and Alex Daigle... I think it is definitely worth considering.

[senryu]

I'd lean toward Theodore. There's a lot of buzz around Theodore right now about him taking, or being in the middle of taking, a big leap forward. Stone is probably as good as he will ever be right now, so there's no growth to come. Vegas doesn't seem to have any other contenders for the top scoring D-man.

[Call of Doughty]

For me, it depends on what the picks/players are in return and how many keepers in your league. Knowing what I know, I'd keep Stone. I think he's good for .93-.98 ppg over the next two years and perhaps future captain of the team.

I've never been a big Theodore guy but was surprised to see him share the 10th spot in d scoring with Burns and Yandle. He also played 70 games. What kind of D men are available on draft day? My ESPN league looks similar to yours. I loaded up on my forwards and drafted heavy on D. Managed to snag Makar and Krug...

[chuckcouples]

This depends completely on what the prospects/picks you would be getting would do for you and on whether or not you have a championship contender over the next two years. Stone is going to help your team more than Theodore for the next 2 seasons but Stone will have almost zero value at that time. Teams don't trade for "old" players in most fantasy leagues and Stone will be that in two years.

From a value perspective over the next few years, Theodore is your guy. From a win now perspective, Stone would be the better keep.

[evans334]

Thanks all, rep'd where I could.

I'll shop Stone around and see what kind of return I can get, but I will most likely be able to re-draft Theodore.

[Rockies & Hockeys]

For me it completely depends on what you can get for Stone. I prefer Stone in a vacuum, but if you can get a nice package for him and keep Theodore then I'd go for it. Or maybe shop Theodore since there's some good buzz about him lately?

[LuigiC173]

keeping Stone because although I like Theodore a lot, I do not see him scoring 70 points like Stone can. Cannot agree with comparisons to the likes of Neal, Simmonds who play a much heavier game IMO and Stone falling off cliff at 30. He is not someone who scores because of physical gifts but because of his brain which will not deteriorate like the body. Also calling him old at 30 is something I agree to disagree on as several players such as Stamkos were dominant in their age 30 season.

[evans334]

Had one GM reach out to me who's interested, we're gonna chat about it later tonight during our weekly poker game lol

His prospect pool looks like this:
Alex Barre-Boulet
Ryan McLeod
Nolan Foote
Jayden Halbgewachs
Robert Mastrosimone
Will Bitten
Bobby Brink
Kirill Marchenko
Serron Noel

Nothing that knocks your socks off, but there's a couple interesting players.

He's a per-ennial playoff team so any of his picks would not be lottery bound.

[LuigiC173]

Had one GM reach out to me who's interested, we're gonna chat about it later tonight during our weekly poker game lol

His prospect pool looks like this:
Alex Barre-Boulet
Ryan McLeod
Nolan Foote
Jayden Halbgewachs
Robert Mastrosimone
Will Bitten
Bobby Brink
Kirill Marchenko
Serron Noel

Nothing that knocks your socks off, but there's a couple interesting players.

He's a per-ennial playoff team so any of his picks would not be lottery bound.

for Mark Stone, no chance

[evans334]

Moved Stone for Debrincat, 1st, 2nd, Marchenko

[Rockies & Hockeys]

Well done. I think that's a win for you.

[evans334]

And then ended up completing a 3 way trade that saw me land Ehlers for Debrincat.

Full trade was Ehlers for Debrincat for Keller.

[jhonny]

And then ended up completing a 3 way trade that saw me land Ehlers for Debrincat.

Full trade was Ehlers for Debrincat for Keller.

I was on board for Debrincat, but now I'm not so sure...

So you traded Stone for Keller and 1st round pick, 2nd round pick, and Marchenko?

Debrincat = Stone
Stone > Ehlers
Ehlers = Keller (maybe)

nice work on the picks.

I won't really address the Marchenko prospect yet, but that could be good too if you can stash.

In the end the only ones here I'd want over Theodore are Debrincat or Stone... and I still might take Theodore because a 50-60 point Dman is MUCH harder to find than a 70 point forward.

[evans334]

The last trade was essentially Debrincat for Ehlers there was just a third team involved that moved Keller.

This came down to personal preference as I have more faith in Ehlers than Debrincat, but I agree the Cat probably has a higher upside, but I was looking for something more consistent.

In the end it’s Stone for Ehlers, 1st, 2nd and Marchenko who I can stash until he’s 24.

The downgrade from Ehlers to Stone isn’t that much IMO so I’m happy to recoup some more assets.