Re: Commissioner Question - Trades and Injury Announcements
Originally Posted by
LawMan
Thanks for the feedback everyone. I have to say I was surprised it was unanimous in favor of letting the trade stand.
I am of the opposite opinion; I believe the trade should be reversed.
My reasoning is as follows:
Yes, the GM receiving McDavid knew McDavid was questionable and took a risk offering the trade, he took a gamble on an unknown outcome. Had the other GM accepted before the Questionable became 2-3 weeks then everyone made a trade with the same information and it should clearly stand.
However, the GM sending McDavid got to wait for new information before accepting. The sending GM did not have to gamble because he knew the outcome. Now the sending GM was still gambling on whether it was 2 or 3 weeks (or even less or more) but he clearly had more and better information available to him.
The offering GM advised the league that had he seen the updated 2-3 week timeline, the one the sending GM got to see, he would have cancelled the trade before it processed. To be clear this was 1 hours after the trade was accepted when he first saw the news. Thus, we had a race to log-on with the receiving GM wanting to cancel the trade and the sending GM wanting to accept it, ultimately the sending GM logged on first and got his desired result. This is in my opinion unfair.
The reason trades are left open for days in fantasy hockey is a practical one, people have lives to run and it allows a receiving GM to review and respond. However, where this is a major change in the information available, which I consider this to be, and the receiving GM gets to use that information while the sending GM cannot that unfair. The analogy I use is one from poker. The sending GM was betting on the flop (some information) but the receiving GM was calling after seeing the final 2 cards (more information but not complete information).
A follow-up question: If it was announced McDavid was out for the season and then the trade processed would anyone want to reverse in that situation? If so what is the difference between that and the actual circumstances?
I understand the premise of what you are saying. In my opinion, the fault here was on the sending GM leaving the trade offer active. If he put on a constraint of time or injury status to protect himself, then we would be having a different conversation. We all know that in real life, this trade would never have gone through because the NHL team would have made a medical check a pre-req which McDavid would have failed. There really is no equivalent in FH. We also know that in most FH systems if the receiver accepts the trade, the sender has no more say in it. We also know that NHL teams aren't always 100% forthcoming with injury news and that even slight injuries can be much more severe than initially thought. Both managers also knew that for some reason McDavid can't be kept at the end of this year so he was a temporary loan.
The trade sender was trying to take advantage of the receiver by getting the top player in the league based on an injury. The McDavid owner flipped the tables by waiting until he knew more about the injury. Once he realized the severity, he jumped on the trade since it helped his team. This type of trade was only going to help one team. It seems to me that this was a "perfect storm" so to speak and is one that probably shouldn't be "regulated" since it would be very hard to do.
I liken this to a severe injury to a starting goalie and a manager in the league is johnny on the spot and grabs the backup from the WW. Is it fair that the manager who has the starter didn't get the backup? No, but someone has to win in this situation and someone has to lose.
In a 10 league where we start 3C, 3LW, 3RW, 4D and 2 G daily. It is a H2H league - we keep 3 players (1 G max), are allowed a max of 2 keeps for each player. The number in brackets is the number of keeps I have left:
G, A, +/-, PIMs, PPG, PPA and Shots.
C - Larkin, Couturier, Kopitar, Cirelli
LW - OV, Panarin (1), Schenn (C), Ehlers (RW), Kreider
RW - Kucherov (0), Seguin (C), Palmieri, Voracek, Yamamoto
D - Yandle, DeAngelo
W, GAA, SV% and Saves.
G - Rask, Varlamov, Hart, Mrazek
IR+ - Tarasenko