Canadian Election

[doulos]

I find it more interesting that if for example 10% of the voters just canceled their vote, that will show to everyone that another party with different ideas could be a good thing.
For me, a right economic party without the abortion and other "social right" could be a good option for people.

Isn't that basically the People's Party? They just have that pesky anti-immigration thing as their headliner.

[Auston'sWilly]

I find it more interesting that if for example 10% of the voters just canceled their vote, that will show to everyone that another party with different ideas could be a good thing.
For me, a right economic party without the abortion and other "social right" could be a good option for people.

Do you mean without any abortion restrictions ?

[PenguinHunter]

No. Turnout could be 10% and it would result in a government being elected.

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Sure, and I've always felt that those who chose to participate in the electoral process have agreed to that process and forfeit their right to complain. Guess no one gets to complain then!

No. This is not a question of turnout. If there is 90% turnout and and 87% choose to abstain (mark abstained, or leave all options blank - not sure on correct procedure of this), thus showing they do not support any of the candidates... what happens then?

[ACC90]

Do you mean without any abortion restrictions ?

No I meant that the Conservatives sometimes have some weird opinion like the Pro-Life subject that I disagree.
Yes the People's party is an option but Maxime Bernier (he is my deputee in my region, just saying haha) just want to be a "wannabe" Trump for different reason.

I'm not against abortion and we need immigrants, so I can't be 100% Conservatives and People's party fan

[doulos]

No. This is not a question of turnout. If there is 90% turnout and and 87% choose to abstain (mark abstained, or leave all options blank - not sure on correct procedure of this), thus showing they do not support any of the candidates... what happens then?

You cannot abstain in a Federal Election in an official capacity. You could ruin a ballot, but it is not tracked in any way. If 99% ruined their ballot in a Canadian Federal Election, then the 1% that wrote on a ballot would chose the government.

[PenguinHunter]

You cannot abstain in a Federal Election in an official capacity. You could ruin a ballot, but it is not tracked in any way. If 99% ruined their ballot in a Canadian Federal Election, then the 1% that wrote on a ballot would chose the government.

Okay. It must only be able to be done at a provincial level then. Thank you.

[Auston'sWilly]

No I meant that the Conservatives sometimes have some weird opinion like the Pro-Life subject that I disagree.
Yes the People's party is an option but Maxime Bernier (he is my deputee in my region, just saying haha) just want to be a "wannabe" Trump for different reason.

I'm not against abortion and we need immigrants, so I can't be 100% Conservatives and People's party fan

Oh I see, yeah, makes sense. It's a very polarizing topic for sure.

I personally think the Pro-life argument made by most Republicans and Conservatives is a bedrock for them. It goes far beyond Politics, I respect it, and I agree with it. To a certain degree anyway.
I also respect that you're clearly Pro-choice.

People will never agree on this topic - there are just too many things going on.

[Rylant]

I think if anyone chooses not to vote then they are also choosing to never complain about anything that is decided by the jurisdictional authority.

I find this perspective interesting, and it certainly isn't the only time I have heard this. What if somebody chooses not to vote and then chooses to complain? It seems strange to me that you should need to vote in order to qualify yourself to be able to complain about something. Humans complain; that's what we do. We complain about work, religion, family, love life, sex, money, sports, bad movies, food; we complain about everything.

I complain about work every now and then to a friend of mine, and he often says "If it's so bad, then DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT!". My point is; well it's not THAT bad that I need to do something about it, I just wanted to complain a little bit.

I say if you legitimately don't want to vote, that's entirely your right. Also, if you want to complain about it, I don't see why you shouldn't be able to.

Rylant

[Skippy]

Someone who voted early posted this on FB to explain why he did not vote Liberal (Trudeau). He makes some very valid points.

Mr. Trudeau,

Things I considered before I voted:

Your minister of finance engaged in insider trading. Also forgot about his villa in France.

You blew the Asia Pacific deal.

You blew the helicopter deal with the Philippines.

You blew the deal with China.

You blew the deal with Europe.

You invited "irregular" immigration and the taxpayer foots the enormous bill for it.

At the G7 you pledged $400 million to Education around the world along with another $180 million to the Global Partnership for Education in Europe. None of it is going to fix our messed up school systems here at home. Meanwhile education costs are skyrocketing for our youth making university a mountain too high for many to climb.

You pledged $241 million to Family Planning around the world including a $20 million donation to the Bill and Hillary Clinton Foundation (because they have integrity!). This all happened while you told vets that they were asking too much.

You pledged $2.65 billion to climate change at the Commonwealth Leaders Summit and now you’re trying to bully the provinces into new taxes to pay for this pledge.

You pledged $300 million to the Rohingya Refugee crisis while we have a refugee crisis of our own flooding into Quebec that you won't address.

You pledged $125 million to Caribbean Reconstruction while our own infrastructure in cities is falling apart.

You pledged $650 million to Sexual and Reproductive health in Haiti and around the globe wanting safer abortions for woman while many women in our own country are left without a family doctor.

You pledged $840 million to Syria for Humanitarian Assistance when half the native reserves in our country don't have clean drinking water.

You gave $10.5 million to a convicted...CONVICTED terrorist in a backroom deal. You intentionally paid it out in a way that prevented the widow of the killed soldier from pursuing it.

You spent $4.5 billion on a 65 year old pipeline, and now the courts have ruled it shut down. Now it's back on (at a delay cost of $250 million) - good investment for Canada you said? (And KM uses that money to build a pipeline in Texas)

You pressured Jody Wilson Raybould repeatedly & INAPPROPRIATELY with several different high ranking officials to offer SNC Lavalin a DPA instead of prosecution for repeated & sustained corruption AFTER the former AG had determined they were ineligible for such a deal. You lied about the above having ever taken place. Then you obstructed the investigation into this obstruction of justice and prevented the RCMP from investigating!

You replaced Canada’s old F-18s with Australia’s old F-18s.

Your bizarre love of all things Castro.

You imposed tough regulations and taxes on oil from Alberta, Saskatchewan and Newfoundland but not oil from Saudi Arabia. Every new project has to undergo strict environmental assessments...except cement plants in Quebec.

You said that a proposed pipeline must consider “the intersection of sex and gender with other identity factors” (what does that even mean???)

You chase foreign companies (and their investment capital) out of the country like they have the plague.

You chased our WW1 soldiers out of our national anthem... lest we forget.

You called small business owners “tax cheats”.

People voice concern over money spent on illegal immigration and you call them intolerant racists.

We have an equalization program, but you give half of it to one province.

You spent $8 million on a temporary skating rink (vanity project) when Canada's largest skating rink is 500 meters away.

You added tens of billions to the national debt while lying to Canada's face about it. Balance the budget in 2019? Now we’re looking at 2040, if ever.

You groped a woman and when caught and said she experienced it differently.

You elbowed a female MP while dragging another MP by the arm in a petulant fit.

Peoplekind? (international embarrassment)

You got India to invest $250 million in Canada but we have to invest $750 million in India first.

You said returning terrorists will be an extraordinarily powerful voice for Canada.

You fought to let terrorists keep their Canadian citizenship.

You spent $212,234 on artwork for the cover of the 2017 budget report.

You spent upwards to $348,000 on food and alcohol in five flights on our government’s plane. On your G20 trip to Argentina, you spent $103,000 on food and alcohol alone. How is that even possible?

You gave Canadian taxpayers' money to Hamas.

You voice outrage over fake racist attacks and say nothing about real terrorist attacks.

You took 10 vacations in a single year. Who does this?

You spent a little over $1.5 million on the trip to India that did nothing but worsen ties. Plus paid over $17,000 to bring an Indian chef to India to cook Indian cuisine. And to top it off, invited a convicted attempted murderer to diner and posed for pics with him.

And you’re the only PM convicted of ethics violations. (multiple times in fact).

You destroyed the career of one of Canada’s honest military leaders to cover up possible massive corruption in ship building contracts.

You invited Joshua Boyle, an alleged perpetrator of sexual assault and unlawful confinement of his wife for a photoshoot in the Office of The Prime Minister.

You threaten to sue the leader of the opposition then chicken out when you realized that your alleged crimes will be exposed in court when he didn’t change his allegations.

You offer over $600 million dollars in subsidies to failing mainstream media outlets if they can prove to be trustworthy. You put a union who vows to destroy your opposition in charge of selecting these new “trusted” sources to receive funding. You could school the Russians in election interference.

You pay off your friends to engage in election ads for you and get Elections Canada to pay for it.

$13 million to Loblaws for new refrigerators.

You made public statements of deep admiration for Chinese communism.

You wore preposterous, inappropriate costumes during a state visit to India, paid for by Canadians.

Almost $13 billion in promises right before calling the election.

Blackface 3 times and you won’t say if there were more occasions. Wow.

What moral, functioning Canadian human could possible justify voting for you?

When they said you weren’t ready, they were right....

[Axeman33]

Didnt someone else just post this?

Either way, my civic duty done.

[Wonko]

Didnt someone else just post this?

Yeah, people just spam facebook memes on this forums now without even reading previous posts.

[ericdaoust]

I find this perspective interesting, and it certainly isn't the only time I have heard this. What if somebody chooses not to vote and then chooses to complain? It seems strange to me that you should need to vote in order to qualify yourself to be able to complain about something. Humans complain; that's what we do. We complain about work, religion, family, love life, sex, money, sports, bad movies, food; we complain about everything.

I complain about work every now and then to a friend of mine, and he often says "If it's so bad, then DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT!". My point is; well it's not THAT bad that I need to do something about it, I just wanted to complain a little bit.

I say if you legitimately don't want to vote, that's entirely your right. Also, if you want to complain about it, I don't see why you shouldn't be able to.

Rylant

I definitely agree with this. Trying to play God in who is allowed to complain is a bad idea in my eyes. The country fundamentally encourages people to complain if they choose to do so.

[Axeman33]

Please let me know who's here to complain about our govt and not voting so I can put you on mute.

[PenguinHunter]

I find this perspective interesting, and it certainly isn't the only time I have heard this. What if somebody chooses not to vote and then chooses to complain? It seems strange to me that you should need to vote in order to qualify yourself to be able to complain about something. Humans complain; that's what we do. We complain about work, religion, family, love life, sex, money, sports, bad movies, food; we complain about everything.

I complain about work every now and then to a friend of mine, and he often says "If it's so bad, then DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT!". My point is; well it's not THAT bad that I need to do something about it, I just wanted to complain a little bit.

I say if you legitimately don't want to vote, that's entirely your right. Also, if you want to complain about it, I don't see why you shouldn't be able to.

Rylant

Is it not a very lazy approach to complain about something if you are not willing to do something about it?

Let's take the work example...You might not be able to change what it is your are complaining about... but do you not owe it to yourself to try to improve the area you are complaining about. I agree with your friend... you got to at least try to do something about it. And that doesn't mean quit your job or tell off your boss. There are tonnes of different approaches that might work.

Now lets look at a more basic example... you go to the washroom at work and the toilet is pluged and you got the runs... do you go to the coffee room and complain about it... or do you grab the plunger and try to do something about it?

I agree... we complain about everything... but how much better would our workplaces... our communities..or country be... IF we stopped complaining about everything life entitled little babies.. and started taking action?

[Skippy]

Yeah, people just spam facebook memes on this forums now without even reading previous posts.

Yup, I did that. Not reading 30 posts of back and forth about personal opinion on politics.