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[doulos]

The only alternative to a wall that has been presented was a moat with alligators. Literally the only thing.

I wrote a whole post that gave some ideas on alternatives to the physical wall. Go back through the thread and you'll see it.

[STONE.]

Can't talk about solutions until the problem is clearly identified, articulated, researched and rooted.

Want to stop illegal immigrants? Wall doesn't help when most overstay their legally acquired Visas.
Want to stop illegal drugs? Most come in transit--wall won't stop those.
Want to stop terrorists from entering the country -- wall won't help, studies show that most threats come via airports (and some through the Northern border) already.

Want to create an expensive, economy-destroying monument to the worst president in US History? Sure. A wall will suffice.

[rataylor22]

FWIW, provided it was wide enough, a heavily infested alligator moat would be far more effective than a wall. It's not really a great idea, but it also shows how simple it is to come up with literally anything better than a wall.

[PenguinHunter]

FWIW, provided it was wide enough, a heavily infested alligator moat would be far more effective than a wall. It's not really a great idea, but it also shows how simple it is to come up with literally anything better than a wall.

Can i ask for explanation on how the alligator moat would be far more effective than a wall?

[rataylor22]

Going back to the prison analogy, alligators would be patrolling the moat far more often. They would catch and deter more people than a wall where all you need is a ladder. Again, it's not good. Just better. "better than a big wall" is a pretty low bar to clear.

[Doug Glatt]

To those who think doing nothing is not an option, I say go read some books or something. Illegal immigration is obviously not a problem. Capitalists love people willing to work for less than the market rate. If you really want to stop it, dont build a wall. Build a large comfortable prison to house all of the employers who break the law and hire these people. This is an employer problem, not a worker problem, not a security problem. Until employers are disincentivized from hiring undoucumented immigrants at cut-rate wages, no wall is going to stop the flow.
This is just another paradox that dumb right wingers will have to figure out. If the US Chamber of Commerce and the entire business community is constantly undermining efforts to curb the hiring of undocumented foreign workers, do you really think the Republican Party is going to oppose them? I havent seen a single example in my lifetime.
So, what is the wall, really? Its a big, expensive stunt. Trump's base of dumbshit rural yokels are stupid enough to believe a wall will change things, so lets give them one. Then we can go back to them and say we delivered border security. The drugs will still flow unchecked through the various tunnels that will be dug. There arent any terrorists coming through the southern border, thats a fantasy, so no change there. As far as the wall goes towards keeping people out, it might have a slight effect, but it wont be long before Mexicans figure out how to steal a truck and ram it through the wall. Once this begins, the upkeep costs for the wall will skyrocket to the point that the original $5 billion cost will seem small. Havent seen any honesty out of Trump or his cronies in Congress about that little detail either.
The reason why you cant stop drugs from coming in is the demand is very high. Unless you change the high demand for undocumented workers who can basically be treated like slaves, they will flow in as well. Since capitalists have no intention of doing this, the wall is a waste of time and money.

[MZac]

Can i ask for explanation on how the alligator moat would be far more effective than a wall?

My first thought was because boats are more expensive and harder to come by than ladders.

[forumname]

My first thought was because boats are more expensive and harder to come by than ladders.

Killer-infested waters are also scarier/more dangerous than a wall. That's 2-0 in favor of the moat. I'm not sure what kind of climate those creatures need though, so at least some of them will probably have to be animatronic. 3-0.

[PenguinHunter]

My first thought was because boats are more expensive and harder to come by than ladders.

Isn't a few freshly killed rabbits or some other small mammal and the ability to swim cheaper than a ladder.

haha

[rataylor22]

To those who think doing nothing is not an option, I say go read some books or something. Illegal immigration is obviously not a problem. Capitalists love people willing to work for less than the market rate. If you really want to stop it, dont build a wall. Build a large comfortable prison to house all of the employers who break the law and hire these people. This is an employer problem, not a worker problem, not a security problem. Until employers are disincentivized from hiring undoucumented immigrants at cut-rate wages, no wall is going to stop the flow.
This is just another paradox that dumb right wingers will have to figure out. If the US Chamber of Commerce and the entire business community is constantly undermining efforts to curb the hiring of undocumented foreign workers, do you really think the Republican Party is going to oppose them? I havent seen a single example in my lifetime.
So, what is the wall, really? Its a big, expensive stunt. Trump's base of dumbshit rural yokels are stupid enough to believe a wall will change things, so lets give them one. Then we can go back to them and say we delivered border security. The drugs will still flow unchecked through the various tunnels that will be dug. There arent any terrorists coming through the southern border, thats a fantasy, so no change there. As far as the wall goes towards keeping people out, it might have a slight effect, but it wont be long before Mexicans figure out how to steal a truck and ram it through the wall. Once this begins, the upkeep costs for the wall will skyrocket to the point that the original $5 billion cost will seem small. Havent seen any honesty out of Trump or his cronies in Congress about that little detail either.
The reason why you cant stop drugs from coming in is the demand is very high. Unless you change the high demand for undocumented workers who can basically be treated like slaves, they will flow in as well. Since capitalists have no intention of doing this, the wall is a waste of time and money.

Applauso

[rtstr]

FWIW, provided it was wide enough, a heavily infested alligator moat would be far more effective than a wall. It's not really a great idea, but it also shows how simple it is to come up with literally anything better than a wall.

I agree in theory but i vote saltwater crocodiles. A saltwater moat would be much more effective since the pesky illegals can't drink the water to quench their thirst after a long journey

[lucafen4]

glad to see this thread is becoming fun again

[Godin]

To those who think doing nothing is not an option, I say go read some books or something. Illegal immigration is obviously not a problem. Capitalists love people willing to work for less than the market rate. If you really want to stop it, dont build a wall. Build a large comfortable prison to house all of the employers who break the law and hire these people. This is an employer problem, not a worker problem, not a security problem. Until employers are disincentivized from hiring undoucumented immigrants at cut-rate wages, no wall is going to stop the flow.
This is just another paradox that dumb right wingers will have to figure out. If the US Chamber of Commerce and the entire business community is constantly undermining efforts to curb the hiring of undocumented foreign workers, do you really think the Republican Party is going to oppose them? I havent seen a single example in my lifetime.

Now that makes sense. Trump can be prisoner #000001.

[donpaulo]

It costs NYC about 300K per day to keep Trump tower "safe".

Winning is very expensive

[Godin]

It costs NYC about 300K per day to keep Trump tower "safe".

Winning is very expensive

They should put that towards the wall.