Nolan Patrick or Ryan Getzlaf

[Glenmerry gangsters]

I always opt to get younger when possible.only one team wins every year. I rather maximise my chances over the next decade then go all out for a season or two. I will always opt for elite young keepers and then flesh out the remainder of my roster with the best players available. 2 years ago my team 1 won the championship with an average age of 24 and half years. Last year they finished 2nd overall and out of my 10 skater keepers they average 21.8 years old.

I rather fill my roster with young affordable elite players with pedigree. It allows you cap flexibility for the rest of your line up. Which balances your team out. You have to carefully manage your deployment tho.

[Sidenown]

I always opt to get younger when possible.only one team wins every year. I rather maximise my chances over the next decade then go all out for a season or two. I will always opt for elite young keepers and then flesh out the remainder of my roster with the best players available. 2 years ago my team 1 won the championship with an average age of 24 and half years. Last year they finished 2nd overall and out of my 10 skater keepers they average 21.8 years old.

I rather fill my roster with young affordable elite players with pedigree. It allows you cap flexibility for the rest of your line up. Which balances your team out. You have to carefully manage your deployment tho.

...so Patrick then?

[Glenmerry gangsters]

Yeah definately Patrick.

[Hoopo]

I?m not sure patrick?s Upside is even a 33 year old getzlaf frankly

But man are people here fickle. Even 2 years ago the majority here thought Getzlaf was finished

[Moses]

Yeah, but how much does Getzlaf have left? 2 years? Unless he gets hurt again. Then Patrick will be better. For a decade or more. I will sacrifice a little now for a lot later. Dynasty means constantly finding young talent to replace those old timers. Guys like Patrick don't grow on trees.

This is the original post.

Two guys in very different stages of their careers. Who do you prefer in a dynasty now? Obviously Getz should score more this coming season, but when do you expect the tables to turn?

9-team points-based dynasty league est. 2016. 4C, 8W, 6D and 1G start.
G=3 , A=2, +/-=1, SOG =0.4, PIM=0.5, PPP=1

Getzlaf should outpoint Patrick, in this format, by a good 40 points. [Numbers based on the Dobber guide projections] Would you agree this is a fair statement, 40 points?

In a 9 team league with these stats, 40 points are the difference between winning and not winning.

Are you playing to win or playing to have shiny new things?

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This is the OP's team.

C: McDavid, Eichel, Backstrom, Trocheck
W: Panarin, Ehlers, Boeser, Keller, Pacioretty, E. Kane, Schwartz, Toffoli
D: Hamilton, Jones, Ekblad, Ekman-Larsson, McAvoy, Pulock
G: Andersen

Bench/prospects
Patrick, Steel, Dvorak, Little
Niederreiter, Oshie, Meier, Yamamoto, Kaprizov
S. Weber, Klefbom, Morrissey, Jokiharju, Valimaki
Talbot, Raanta

This team is stacked and looking to win, and win now.

[The Comish]

Getzlaf should outpoint Patrick, in this format, by a good 40 points. [Numbers based on the Dobber guide projections] Would you agree this is a fair statement, 40 points?

In a 9 team league with these stats, 40 points are the difference between winning and not winning.

Are you playing to win or playing to have shiny new things?

No way Getzlaf outpoints Patrick by 40 points. Like I said, with dynasty, I will almost always lean on youth.

Playing to win or shiny new things - the answer is balance.

[Moses]

No way Getzlaf outpoints Patrick by 40 points. Like I said, with dynasty, I will almost always lean on youth.

Playing to win or shiny new things - the answer is balance.

Even with these?

G=3 , A=2, +/-=1, SOG =0.4, PIM=0.5, PPP=1

[The Comish]

Even with these?

G=3 , A=2, +/-=1, SOG =0.4, PIM=0.5, PPP=1

Yep. Getzlaf hasn't scored more than 15 goals and 178 sog in any one year over his last three. I wouldn't want a team full of Patrick's, but in a dynasty, I want to have an eye towards the future.

[rd69]

This one is tough. I think it really comes down to your specific team. If I'm just starting in a brand new keeper league, then Getzlaf is my easy choice because I'm trying to win now.

But then there's an expansion team like mine (not given anywhere near the favourable rules of Vegas, I might add), that's frankly ass right now. Getzlaf would have no value on my team, other than making us a bit less ass.

So for me, this would be an easy choice of Patrick, since his peak is likely to coincide with the rest of my team, and will last the standard <10 years.

[FFleming5]

Easy choice for me:

Getz if you want to win next year. Patrick if you want to build for future.

Title/money now is always > A chance later - especially with a player with a non-determined floor/ceiling.

Next, not sure what you mean by the scarcity factor - there?s always a player about to pop and new shiny things every season. Ex. Pastrnak, Boeser etc. Generational guys like Crosby, McD, Karlsson- I agree are not the same obviously - but Patrick is not generational. Patrick isn?t even a first PP or Line 1 player. Getz is a guaranteed 70+ pt guy for the next few years and as a playmaker, you can write that in stone unless he?s injured.

Everyone writes off these older players but the great ones continue to produce into their late 30s. Zetterburg and Thornton are old AF - Z had 68 pts on a bad wings team in his 36th year and Joe T 63 in year 37. There?s no promise Patrick ever outpoints that in any season. That could be his ceiling. But I guarantee Getz has at least 3 more left with a 60 pt floor

[The Comish]

Easy choice for me:

Getz if you want to win next year. Patrick if you want to build for future.

Title/money now is always > A chance later - especially with a player with a non-determined floor/ceiling.

Next, not sure what you mean by the scarcity factor - there?s always a player about to pop and new shiny things every season. Ex. Pastrnak, Boeser etc. Generational guys like Crosby, McD, Karlsson- I agree are not the same obviously - but Patrick is not generational. Patrick isn?t even a first PP or Line 1 player. Getz is a guaranteed 70+ pt guy for the next few years and as a playmaker, you can write that in stone unless he?s injured.

Everyone writes off these older players but the great ones continue to produce into their late 30s. Zetterburg and Thornton are old AF - Z had 68 pts on a bad wings team in his 36th year and Joe T 63 in year 37. There?s no promise Patrick ever outpoints that in any season. That could be his ceiling. But I guarantee Getz has at least 3 more left with a 60 pt floor

Second overall, chance to be top six, PP1 for a decade. Sure guys come available all the time, but they can be hard to snag depending on how much time you can dedicate to watching who's doing what and then striking at the right time (and having a player to drop).

For me, the decision would boil down to my team overall. Am I in contention for a title? Then the answer is easier, you roll with Getzlaf. If it's a cap league, you might think about the younger player as well as value an important factor. Otherwise, if you team is meh, middle of the road, I'd be leaning towards Patrick and building my core.

[hockeymanG23]

Easy choice for me:

Getz if you want to win next year. Patrick if you want to build for future.

Title/money now is always > A chance later - especially with a player with a non-determined floor/ceiling.

Next, not sure what you mean by the scarcity factor - there?s always a player about to pop and new shiny things every season. Ex. Pastrnak, Boeser etc. Generational guys like Crosby, McD, Karlsson- I agree are not the same obviously - but Patrick is not generational. Patrick isn?t even a first PP or Line 1 player. Getz is a guaranteed 70+ pt guy for the next few years and as a playmaker, you can write that in stone unless he?s injured.

Everyone writes off these older players but the great ones continue to produce into their late 30s. Zetterburg and Thornton are old AF - Z had 68 pts on a bad wings team in his 36th year and Joe T 63 in year 37. There?s no promise Patrick ever outpoints that in any season. That could be his ceiling. But I guarantee Getz has at least 3 more left with a 60 pt floor

Just wanted to point out that Patrick was on the 1st PP for the second half of the season. It remains to be seen if he stays there if Simmonds is healthy going into next year or JVR may even take that net front role too.

I personally would lean toward Getzlaf, I think he still has 3-4 good years left in him but I wouldn't fault anyone for choosing Patrick since I think he can be a constant 60+ player quite soon as well.

[stimperi]

Great discussion!

The situation is evolving a bit. We have big discussions on a 3-way deal that would see me ship off Patrick + some other prospects, Yamamoto/Valimaki, but receiving both Getzlaf and Robert Thomas.

How big of a difference do you see there is in Patrick`s and Thomas` value?

[butch]

as a few already stated ; if your team is youngish and a bit more ready to compete in a few years as opposed to right now I'd take my chances with Patrick becoming a 70 point player by then while Getz starts to decline .We cant predict the future but I find Patrick is being a bit undervalued in some leagues that I participate in .