J Dalhen plus picks for star player?

[Yohyoh]

Been talking to other guys in my league for about a year now on a star player that I've been listening to offers on. Haven't seen the return I wanted.

It wasn't until today that I came across an offer that actually had me thinking..

Jonathan Dalhen
Louis Dominge
2018 1st round pick (14 Overall)
2019 1st round pick

For

Claude Giroux

Here is why I am considering this. The way that the other teams roster sits he will likely be a lot worse then how he finished this year. (it's a hunch). Dalhen had a really good year in the SHL and is looking promising to land a roster spot on the Canucks next season. I am a rebuilding team so I guess that's another reason why I'm interested in the offer. We have a different point system then most leagues.

I'd like to hear other people's thoughts on this offer and hopefully have some solid advice on it.

[lucafen4]

Dahlen is going to be good, but how good? I look at him as more of a Josh Bailey type - complimentary player - not one that will drive play himself (Boeser/Pettersson will) Not a real knock on him, but moving a stud, I think I'd want more of that play-driver coming back.

I'm not high on Domingue really at all. But with G's some questions need to be answered, how big is the league (at least 14 team)? how many G's do you start? who are your starting G's? and who's on your minors for G prospects?

Also like to know the size of your prospect roster - it will impact the value of Dahlen & Domingue.

At first glance, I want more, the two prospects aren't high enough in value for a 100pt player - with a history to support a repeat 80+pt season

[Jouko-Pouko]

Dahlen played in Allsvenskan, not SHL. It's the 2nd highest level in Sweden.

I think he needs a year in the AHL. He could eventually be a 55-point player. I would want a bigger star prospect in return for Giroux. The package is interesting but if you're not getting a top 5 pick or a similar level prospect, I'm not sure it's worth it.

[evans334]

Domingue is only valuable if Vas get's hurt.

14 overall and 2019 1st are gambles.

J. Dahlen has potential but not enough there for me to move Giroux, if I was in you shoes.

[ericdaoust]

This is not a good sell-high trade. I'd rather hold Giroux than take this return.

[Yohyoh]

Dahlen is going to be good, but how good? I look at him as more of a Josh Bailey type - complimentary player - not one that will drive play himself (Boeser/Pettersson will) Not a real knock on him, but moving a stud, I think I'd want more of that play-driver coming back.

I'm not high on Domingue really at all. But with G's some questions need to be answered, how big is the league (at least 14 team)? how many G's do you start? who are your starting G's? and who's on your minors for G prospects?

Also like to know the size of your prospect roster - it will impact the value of Dahlen & Domingue.

At first glance, I want more, the two prospects aren't high enough in value for a 100pt player - with a history to support a repeat 80+pt season

It is a full 31 team roster. Each team has 2 active roster spots for goaltenders and 4 spots for players in the minors/drafted prospects.

Currently I only have G Johnathan Bernier in 1 active roster spot and Ukko Pekka Luukkonen in one of my minor spots. So I have an opening for another goaltender. Here is how my roster looks.

WD ADAM GAUDETTE
FWD CODY GLASS
FWD FREDERIK GAUTHIER
FWD CLAUDE GIROUX - A
FWD MIKKEL BOEDKER
FWD MICHEAL FERLAND
FWD GABRIEL BOURQUE
FWD DRAKE CAGGIULA
FWD JARED MCCANN
FWD VICTOR RASK
DEF DAN HAMHUIS
DEF TREVOR DALEY
DEF GUSTAV FORSLING
DEF FREDRIK CLAESSON
DEF IAN MCCOSHEN
DEF
ENF MARC METHOT
ENF
GOL JONATHAN BERNIER
​GOL
RES MIRO HEISKANEN
​RES DANTE FABBRO
RES UKKO-PEKKA LUUKKONEN
RES CONOR TIMMINS

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I can only have 8 players with under 30 NHL games played on my roster. I'm currently at 6

[Moses]

[read OP follow up post - changed things for me]

[lucafen4]

It is a full 31 team roster. Each team has 2 active roster spots for goaltenders and 4 spots for players in the minors/drafted prospects.

Currently I only have G Johnathan Bernier in 1 active roster spot and Ukko Pekka Luukkonen in one of my minor spots. So I have an opening for another goaltender. Here is how my roster looks.

WD ADAM GAUDETTE
FWD CODY GLASS
FWD FREDERIK GAUTHIER
FWD CLAUDE GIROUX - A
FWD MIKKEL BOEDKER
FWD MICHEAL FERLAND
FWD GABRIEL BOURQUE
FWD DRAKE CAGGIULA
FWD JARED MCCANN
FWD VICTOR RASK
DEF DAN HAMHUIS
DEF TREVOR DALEY
DEF GUSTAV FORSLING
DEF FREDRIK CLAESSON
DEF IAN MCCOSHEN
DEF
ENF MARC METHOT
ENF
GOL JONATHAN BERNIER
​GOL
RES MIRO HEISKANEN
​RES DANTE FABBRO
RES UKKO-PEKKA LUUKKONEN
RES CONOR TIMMINS

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I can only have 8 players with under 30 NHL games played on my roster. I'm currently at 6

Maybe you should look at trading Giroux straight up for someone like Raanta. You need a starting goalie.

[Moses]

It is a full 31 team roster. Each team has 2 active roster spots for goaltenders and 4 spots for players in the minors/drafted prospects.

Currently I only have G Johnathan Bernier in 1 active roster spot and Ukko Pekka Luukkonen in one of my minor spots. So I have an opening for another goaltender. Here is how my roster looks.

WD ADAM GAUDETTE
FWD CODY GLASS
FWD FREDERIK GAUTHIER
FWD CLAUDE GIROUX - A
FWD MIKKEL BOEDKER
FWD MICHEAL FERLAND
FWD GABRIEL BOURQUE
FWD DRAKE CAGGIULA
FWD JARED MCCANN
FWD VICTOR RASK
DEF DAN HAMHUIS
DEF TREVOR DALEY
DEF GUSTAV FORSLING
DEF FREDRIK CLAESSON
DEF IAN MCCOSHEN
DEF
ENF MARC METHOT
ENF
GOL JONATHAN BERNIER
​GOL
RES MIRO HEISKANEN
​RES DANTE FABBRO
RES UKKO-PEKKA LUUKKONEN
RES CONOR TIMMINS

Repectfully, woof(!). That is an ugly team. Capital U.

I see why you want to move out Giroux for futures. This is the right idea, but I don't love the return in this offer. Your team has just so so many holes I'm not even sure what you need to do and in what order to do it in.

[lucafen4]

F. Gauthier & Gab Bourque need to go immediately. Hamhuis is not far behind. Bu yeah..its miles from competing

[Jouko-Pouko]

With only 4 spots for prospects, that deal looks even worse for you. Luukkonen isn't probably worth owning in that league. Fabbro and Timmins are decent but not top prospects.

Giroux is the only top player you have, and you need a killer return for him. This isn't it.

[Yohyoh]

Here's a question then! Should I just clean slate and trade anyone and everyone and obtain as many picks as I can this and year season (keeping in mind of the 30 games played rule of course)

[Yohyoh]

This was virtually the team I came into before the last guy that left. I added glass, Hieskenen Fabbro and Timmins. I also traded for 2 first round pick (the old guy had zero picks for the 18 and 19 draft)

[Jouko-Pouko]

A rebuild is probably needed but don't just target draft picks, target young players who may have lost some of their shine or never received the kind of hype they deserved. A lot of people seem to be really down on Dylan Strome. Some people are still sleeping on Henrik Borgstrom, Robert Thomas and Gabe Vilardi. Michael Rasmussen doesn't get the love he deserves. These guys are expected to play in the NHL next season. Only a few of the 2018 draftees are going to play in the NHL.

Nick Suzuki, Morgan Frost, Kristian Vesalainen and Klim Kostin are excellent prospects but underrated in many leagues, so they are possible trade targets as well. But you may need to wait another year with them (although I think Suzuki cracks the Vegas roster).

To fix your goalie issue, I'd probably go hard after Ilya Samsonov who is arguably the top goalie prospect in the game right now. He needs a couple of years but that's much better than someone like Luukkonen who needs at least 5 years and may not amount to anything (I'm not a fan). For a short-term fix, maybe target Linus Ullmark who seems to be the chosen goalie of the future for the Sabres (unless they acquire someone else via trade this summer). Ullmark will be in the NHL next season as well and his price should be low.

Draft picks are nice and everything but you have to pay a premium for them and then wait forever to see any results.

[lucafen4]

I'd also look at Heponiemi, Anderson-Dolan, Ian Mitchell, Max Gildon, Kole Lind, Troy Terry, Dylan Gambrell, TIMASHOV, Andreas Johnsson, as guys that are floating below the top tier of prospects that one or more is still available.. The last 4 I listed will all get a cup of coffee in the NHL this year, if not a full season, the others are 2-3yrs away. I can see Mitchell joining the Hawks in 19/20 as well.