Carlson's value

[MZac]

How does Washington acquiring Shattenkirk affect Carlson's value Ros? Who runs pp 1? I don't own either but unsuccessfully tried to acquire both at different points this season. On the surface I'm thinking Shattenkirk owners are rejoicing and Carlson owners are cringing (just a tad).

I'm interested in what owners are thinking and how this will play out ...

[Schneider]

We'll see, but I feel like Shattenkirk is a pure rental, and to bump Carlson off the 1st unit for a few months, then go back to Carlson next season doesn't make much sense. Carlson's been groomed for that slot for a few years before hand.

I will say that if Carlson struggles, they won't hesitate to try Shattenkirk there. Either way, that 2nd unit features Kuznetsov, so it isn't that much of a downgrade. I see Carlson as a prime target for sure.

[MZac]

It's a pretty nasty one-two power play punch in Washington no matter how you slice it...

[Jordyr77]

as a Carlson owner I'm pretty crushed. HIs season has already been awful, and he's struggled to get going. This seems like it will only hurt him and if his trade value is pretty low for the ROS.

[audiopile]

I'm in the same boat as Jordyr but my team stinks again this year so it's fine. Shats is a rental and things will go back to normal next year. If anything maybe this takes the pressure off Carlson and he can heal what ails him.

ROS though it will all depend on how smoothly Shattenkirk transitions to the new team. Yandle with the Rangers or Weber with the Habs?

[hockeymanG23]

I have Carlson and this deal makes me concerned since Shatty seems to be more of a PP specialist while Carlson is more of the 2-way D.

By next year it won't make a difference but I don't like it as of now.

- - - Updated - - -

I have Carlson and this deal makes me concerned since Shatty seems to be more of a PP specialist while Carlson is more of the 2-way D.

By next year it won't make a difference but I don't like it as of now.

[Sulla]

That becomes a murderers row on the pp for the Caps with the ability to roll out two pretty impressive units. Personally I think, from a fantasy perspective, this impacts both negatively as neither will really explode but from a real life perspective Washington now has lots of options (especially considering Niskanen usually does well when Carlson is out)

[Jouko-Pouko]

That becomes a murderers row on the pp for the Caps with the ability to roll out two pretty impressive units. Personally I think, from a fantasy perspective, this impacts both negatively as neither will really explode but from a real life perspective Washington now has lots of options (especially considering Niskanen usually does well when Carlson is out)

I agree with this but if Shattenkirk plays well together with Ovechkin, the trade could be a boost for both of them. But yeah, I think this most likely hurts Carlson ROS.

[LuigiC173]

Carlson is no slouch and he has firm grasp on the offensive system as well as player tendencies around him. Shattenkirk will certainly get his looks but I do not see Carlson getting relegated to PP2 all the time the dude can run a PP and he has a bomb from the blue line.

[PenguinHunter]

We'll see, but I feel like Shattenkirk is a pure rental, and to bump Carlson off the 1st unit for a few months, then go back to Carlson next season doesn't make much sense. Carlson's been groomed for that slot for a few years before hand.

I will say that if Carlson struggles, they won't hesitate to try Shattenkirk there. Either way, that 2nd unit features Kuznetsov, so it isn't that much of a downgrade. I see Carlson as a prime target for sure.

And Ovy as we get closer to the end of the season he will be hungry to get 50 goals again... and will stay out for both powerplays. haha.

[Schneider]

And Ovy as we get closer to the end of the season he will be hungry to get 50 goals again... and will stay out for both powerplays. haha.

Very good point there. At the morning skate, it looks like Shattenkirk is on the bottom pairing. No word yet on where he slots in on the PP...Vrana is getting looks on the 2nd PP unit.

I'll see what else I can found out...the things I do for you guys.

[BreadManPanarin]

We'll see, but I feel like Shattenkirk is a pure rental, and to bump Carlson off the 1st unit for a few months, then go back to Carlson next season doesn't make much sense.

Makes a lot of sense if you think Shattenkirk being on top PP will result in more goals being scored. If you don't, then I agree it doesn't make sense.

[glorybe23]

LWL has updated their lines
Shattenkirk was on the first PP this morning

- - - Updated - - -

LWL has updated their lines
Shattenkirk was on the first PP this morning

[Schneider]

Makes a lot of sense if you think Shattenkirk being on top PP will result in more goals being scored. If you don't, then I agree it doesn't make sense.

Well Carlson's career high is 55pts, and a year ago was on pace for 57pts. Carlson's having a down year thus far, but his production had been trending upwards from a poor start. Shattenkirk is on pace for 56pts this year, and was on pace for 50pts last year. I don't really see a huge difference between them, but Shattenkirk regularly produces in the mid-20s region in PPP, so I think they're using him as a bottom pairing defenseman and as the PP specialist.

So I guess Carlson's value declines in the immediate future, but my opinion of his value long term stays steady.

[MZac]

Well Carlson's career high is 55pts, and a year ago was on pace for 57pts. Carlson's having a down year thus far, but his production had been trending upwards from a poor start. Shattenkirk is on pace for 56pts this year, and was on pace for 50pts last year. I don't really see a huge difference between them, but Shattenkirk regularly produces in the mid-20s region in PPP, so I think they're using him as a bottom pairing defenseman and as the PP specialist.

So I guess Carlson's value declines in the immediate future, but my opinion of his value long term stays steady.

I think the difference was the team and style surrounding them. Washington has a better power play than st louis and is more dynamic 5on5. This translates to more points for the top d man, generally (as the d man rely on the forwards in front of them to score for a lot of their points). Not that shatty didn't have some talent to play with but he was role splitting and offensively I don't think anyone is going to argue that the caps are a tier above st louis.

It'll be interesting to see if shatty clicks on pp 1 tonight.