Does Bishop get moved before the 2016/2017 season?

[rataylor22]

I believe Z is right. Vaseline moves. Considering goalies never really attract much on the trade market, why trade the better of the two if the return won't be worth it? You'll say, "Well, because Vasilevskiy is almost as good and so it makes sense to save money and keep him as your starter, because Bishop's contract demands will be ridiculous." Then, I'll say that Vasilevskiy is not as good and has not proven to be and Tampa's time to win is now. They keep Bishop.

He held up just fine in the playoffs (they didn't lose to Pittsburgh because of goaltending) and Bishop has pretty much proven his body can't hold up to a workhorse workload, so now Bishop doesn't hold a talent edge, or a proven edge, or a workhorse edge, or a contract edge. There's no logical or reasonable argument to keep Bishop over Vasy.

[BreadManPanarin]

Vas? Great young prospect. If the stars align perfectly he becomes as good as Bishop. That is his ceiling. Even if I grant Vas the slimmest chance of becoming a hair better than Bishop, it won't be for years to come.

Henceforth you shall be known as "He Who Rains on Parades".

[BreadManPanarin]

He held up just fine in the playoffs (they didn't lose to Pittsburgh because of goaltending) and Bishop has pretty much proven his body can't hold up to a workhorse workload, so now Bishop doesn't hold a talent edge, or a proven edge, or a workhorse edge, or a contract edge. There's no logical or reasonable argument to keep Bishop over Vasy.

I tend to agree with this. I fully expect Vasi to be the long term solution for TB in net. He has all of the potential in the world, they have patiently developed him, the timing is perfect for him to take over, he is locked in at a good cost, and he really stood strong against a Pittsburgh team that just offensively dominated every team they faced in the playoffs.

All this being said, I doubt we see Bishop moved out of TB this year. He holds more value as an asset in a cup run than he does in terms of return that they could get for him.

Next year Vasi will be unleashed on the NHL and start 60+ games. And it will be delicious.

Depending on where Bishop lands, we will find out whether he is a great goalie or a very good goalie that was in a great situation.

[rataylor22]

I think short of a good piece that will obviously help their cup chances this season, Yzerman is fine letting Bishop walk in FA. The expansion draft doesn't really matter. It's much different than the Pittsburgh situation.

[Hoopo]

Ben Bishop has played 60+ games each season in Tampa. That's been top-10 in the league for games started 3 years in a row. Add in playoffs and you got a guy who played 222 games between 2013-2014 and 2015-2016. He certainly does have a "workhorse edge" over a guy that has yet to play more than 25 games in a season. He is also more "proven" by extension. I don;t know how we're evaluating "talent" here but all indications are that Bishop has done great in Tampa and has the numbers to prove it.

I'd wager they don't move Bishop this year. I think they let his contract run out, and try to offer him a new one in the offseason if he wants it. Same kinda deal as Kucherov and Stamkos -- a discount and a chance to win the Cup. Call it poor asset management if you want, but no one's Cup window stays open forever, and the price of getting there is letting guys walk for nothing sometimes.

[rataylor22]

Ben Bishop has played 60+ games each season in Tampa. That's been top-10 in the league for games started 3 years in a row. Add in playoffs and you got a guy who played 222 games between 2013-2014 and 2015-2016. He certainly does have a "workhorse edge" over a guy that has yet to play more than 25 games in a season. He is also more "proven" by extension. I don;t know how we're evaluating "talent" here but all indications are that Bishop has done great in Tampa and has the numbers to prove it.

I'd wager they don't move Bishop this year. I think they let his contract run out, and try to offer him a new one in the offseason if he wants it. Same kinda deal as Kucherov and Stamkos -- a discount and a chance to win the Cup. Call it poor asset management if you want, but no one's Cup window stays open forever, and the price of getting there is letting guys walk for nothing sometimes.

He's also been injured in all of those seasons, indicating his body can't hold up to it.

[Hoopo]

I mean I'm not a doctor so I'm not going to say what Bishop's body can and cannot hold up to. But these were not all injuries that occurred on his 62nd game of the year. Injuries happen; most goalies who get injured a lot aren't playing 60 games. Most goalies in general are not playing 60 games in fact. If you're top-10 in the league in starts year-in year-out, you're a workhorse. If you're playing 60+ games, and posting above average numbers while doing it, it makes no difference if you're getting injured or not. You're helping your team win a lot of games, more than most goalies do. And that's really valuable.

[agentzero]

I mean I'm not a doctor so I'm not going to say what Bishop's body can and cannot hold up to. But these were not all injuries that occurred on his 62nd game of the year. Injuries happen; most goalies who get injured a lot aren't playing 60 games. Most goalies in general are not playing 60 games in fact. If you're top-10 in the league in starts year-in year-out, you're a workhorse. If you're playing 60+ games, and posting above average numbers while doing it, it makes no difference if you're getting injured or not. You're helping your team win a lot of games, more than most goalies do. And that's really valuable.

This, rataylor. This...

[rataylor22]

This, rataylor. This...

Agree to disagree, move on

[agentzero]

Agree to disagree, move on

You move on :P

ok ok jk. Go Bishop!