[Rumor] Barrie gone from COL

[Axeman33]

Please no! Just getting Yandle out of that fantasy killing team!

Actually, he had a pretty good year last year. Take a look at his last four seasons. He was pretty much on average last year. Less goals abut a lot more assists. Nothing wrong with a quiet 47 points.

Season Age Tm Lg GP G A PTS +/- PIM EV PP SH GW EV PP SH S S% TSA TOI ATOI FOwin FOloss FO% HIT BLK TK GV Awards

2012-13 26 PHX NHL 48 10 20 30 4 54 5 5 0 3 15 5 0 130 7.7 273 1068 22:15 0 0 18 40 20 30 AS-10,Norris-12
2013-14 27 PHX NHL 82 8 45 53 -23 63 5 3 0 2 17 28 0 241 3.3 484 1980 24:09 0 0 22 105 31 65
2014-15 28 TOT NHL 84 6 46 52 -26 40 4 2 0 2 19 27 0 232 2.6 479 1925 22:55 0 0 53 101 35 81
2014-15 28 ARI NHL 63 4 37 41 -32 32 2 2 0 0 13 24 0 185 2.2 414 1506 23:55 0 0 39 81 21 66
2014-15 28 NYR NHL 21 2 9 11 6 8 2 0 0 2 6 3 0 47 4.3 83 418 19:56 0 0 14 20 14 15
2015-16 29 NYR NHL 82 5 42 47 -4 40 3 2 0 1 22 20 0 160 3.1 364 1637 19:58 0 0 43 68 27 76

[RangerFan]

As probably the best UFA Dman on the market this summer, there is no way he gets less than $6M, no chance in hell.

Axeman, I never said he will get less than $6M. I said probably more. Probably closer to $6.5M.

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Actually, he had a pretty good year last year. Take a look at his last four seasons. He was pretty much on average last year. Less goals abut a lot more assists. Nothing wrong with a quiet 47 points.

Season Age Tm Lg GP G A PTS +/- PIM EV PP SH GW EV PP SH S S% TSA TOI ATOI FOwin FOloss FO% HIT BLK TK GV Awards

2012-13 26 PHX NHL 48 10 20 30 4 54 5 5 0 3 15 5 0 130 7.7 273 1068 22:15 0 0 18 40 20 30 AS-10,Norris-12
2013-14 27 PHX NHL 82 8 45 53 -23 63 5 3 0 2 17 28 0 241 3.3 484 1980 24:09 0 0 22 105 31 65
2014-15 28 TOT NHL 84 6 46 52 -26 40 4 2 0 2 19 27 0 232 2.6 479 1925 22:55 0 0 53 101 35 81
2014-15 28 ARI NHL 63 4 37 41 -32 32 2 2 0 0 13 24 0 185 2.2 414 1506 23:55 0 0 39 81 21 66
2014-15 28 NYR NHL 21 2 9 11 6 8 2 0 0 2 6 3 0 47 4.3 83 418 19:56 0 0 14 20 14 15
2015-16 29 NYR NHL 82 5 42 47 -4 40 3 2 0 1 22 20 0 160 3.1 364 1637 19:58 0 0 43 68 27 76

And he actually was pretty good defensively. One of the few Ranger Dmen who didn't let Lundqvist hang out to dry most of the time.

[ericdaoust]

He'll get 7+. Brian Campbell got over 7 back when the cap was lower and he's no Yandle.

[RangerFan]

He'll get 7+. Brian Campbell got over 7 back when the cap was lower and he's no Yandle.

It is possible but I think it is unlikely. There are only 5 Dmen that have a 7+M cap hit - Subban, Weber, Suter, Letang, and Campbell. Campbell is the only one that Yandle could be compared. And that was a crazy signing. Mike Green just signed for $6M. As much as I don't like Green, he is a decent comparable to Yandle. I think Yandle is a bit better and durable so he will get more like 6.5M. I think 7 would be the very upper limit of his new contract. Just my 2 cents.

[ericdaoust]

Mike Green just signed for $6M. As much as I don't like Green, he is a decent comparable to Yandle.

Could not disagree more. Green is as unreliable as it gets, both in production and in durability. Yandle hasn't missed a game since 2008 and is much more consistent, not to mention he's one of the top puck-movers around.

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Also, Yandle signed a very team friendly contact when he last signed in Arizona. He will be looking for his big payday on this next one.

[RangerFan]

Could not disagree more. Green is as unreliable as it gets, both in production and in durability. Yandle hasn't missed a game since 2008 and is much more consistent, not to mention he's one of the top puck-movers around.

I completely agree with you that Green is very inconsistent and not durable but he still has a career 0.63 points per game and even if you take out his 2 insane seasons he still around 0.55 points/gm.

2010-1: 0.49
2011-2: 0.22
2012-3: 0.74
2013-4: 0.54
2014-5: 0.63 -> signed his contract

Yandle's points/gm is right at 0.56 but you are absolutely right that consistently hits around 0.6. So, like I said, Yandle is better and will get more than Green but I just don't think he will get >1M more.

[ericdaoust]

Only way he gets under 7 is if he accepts another team-friendly contract to play for a contender.

[RangerFan]

Only way he gets under 7 is if he accepts another team-friendly contract to play for a contender.

Maybe you are right. He just does not play the complete game that Weber, Letang, and Suter play to deserve that kind of money. But there might be a crazy GM that would offer him that much.

[ericdaoust]

Maybe you are right. He just does not play the complete game that Weber, Letang, and Suter play to deserve that kind of money. But there might be a crazy GM that would offer him that much.

You can't compare Yandle to Weber/Suter who signed frontloaded contracts paying them $12M+ in the early years.

[rtstr]

I completely agree with you that Green is very inconsistent and not durable but he still has a career 0.63 points per game and even if you take out his 2 insane seasons he still around 0.55 points/gm.

2010-1: 0.49
2011-2: 0.22
2012-3: 0.74
2013-4: 0.54
2014-5: 0.63 -> signed his contract

Yandle's points/gm is right at 0.56 but you are absolutely right that consistently hits around 0.6. So, like I said, Yandle is better and will get more than Green but I just don't think he will get >1M more.

What about comparing their games played? Having a similar point per game ratio means nothing if he plays half the games. I think Yandle is worth a lot more than Green. Being an NHL defenseman is about more than scoring points. Yandle has Green crushed in all of those intangibles.

[Mr. Guru]

That's a huge blow if they can't resign Barrie.

I think they'll do everything they can to squeeze him in. Johnson makes $6M next year till 2023. Thats a lot for him. Another two years of Beauchemin at 4.5 is manageable. Especially after his great year.

Colorado could and should get A LOT if they do trade Barrie.

[Mr. Guru]

I really hope Chiarelli is all over Barrie. I would do either of the deals proposed in the OP in a heartbeat assuming that any trade involves the Oilers being able to talk to Barrie and sign him to a 5+ year contract around $4-5 mil.

Would you do the same deals if the 4-5 mil changed to 6-7?

[RangerFan]

What about comparing their games played? Having a similar point per game ratio means nothing if he plays half the games. I think Yandle is worth a lot more than Green. Being an NHL defenseman is about more than scoring points. Yandle has Green crushed in all of those intangibles.

Yandle has definitely played more games and, like I said, is more consistent. And of course being an NHL defenseman is more than just points but, if you think Yandle is going to be paid based on his defensive abilities, you would be mistaken. Remember this is the guy who was left off the Olympic roster because of his defense. He is an offensive Dman just like Green. Again, I think he is better than Green and I am using Green's contract as a starting point. Green's contract is only for 3 years because of his inconsistency. Yandle will get a 5+ year deal but I think his cap hit is going to be 6.5-7M.

[rtstr]

Yandle has definitely played more games and, like I said, is more consistent. And of course being an NHL defenseman is more than just points but, if you think Yandle is going to be paid based on his defensive abilities, you would be mistaken. Remember this is the guy who was left off the Olympic roster because of his defense. He is an offensive Dman just like Green. Again, I think he is better than Green and I am using Green's contract as a starting point. Green's contract is only for 3 years because of his inconsistency. Yandle will get a 5+ year deal but I think his cap hit is going to be 6.5-7M.

Gotcha-- I don't disagree with any of that. I get the comparison when it comes to contract vs contract. I was interpreting it as Green's worth vs. Yandle's worth which obviously was not your intention. I definitely wouldn't want to give Yandle more than 7 a year.