is it time for the pens to move Malkin?

[roenick27]

1st, I'm not sure if this is the correct spot to post this, so please move if necessary.

Piggybacking dobbers thread about the pens and sens game, seeing the pens struggle, (add in probably a few other choices here)....
Has the time come for the penguins to seriously consider moving Malkin? They obviously need some depth. He is off injured (as have sid and letang), I assume there is no chance they move sid.
Maybe not a rebuild but I'd have to believe they could land a few top 6 types at minimum for Malkin. Probably a lot more so does this make sense?

[Slug]

I thought they should have moved Malkin last offseason. They wont do it because of who he is but this team needs a major shakeup. Not just rotating the wingers on Sid and Genos lines, the core of this team isn't getting it done when it matters.

[2014olympicgold]

I see it as a lot of salary taken up by a 2^nd line center that isn’t a specialist. It’s not like having a 2-way center that can put up 60-70pts, win faceoffs, and can lockdown an opponent’s offensive line; which is an ideal 2^nd line center. They need a shake-up, and their depth has suffered from constantly trading youth and picks away for that one winger that can somehow make their centers go from 80-90pt guys to 85-100pt guys. Honestly they need shutdown d-men and invest money in a shutdown line. They put up a ton of goals, but can’t stop pucks from going in the net, and you can’t really blame Fleury fully.

I think Letang is the most valuable player on that team, just because of how shaky the rest of the d-men are and how strong he is in possession. But he’s out too often for the whole defense system to rely on.

If Gretzky and Clarkson can be traded tho, any player can be traded.

[The Comish]

If they were to put Malkin on the market, they would get a King's ransom. The Pens need help. I don't think their prospect pipeline is very full either, so they might profit greatly from dealing Geno. Will they? Who knows? I say they should.

[roenick27]

I think they almost have to. The issue is where and for what? I wouldn't take less than what the market value should be (at least not much less, depending on how you see the market) but also matching salaries could be hard. I'm going on the assumption that salaries would need to be close to make the deal happen.
There are so many "wishful " option I can think of, bit actually sitting down and making it work numbers wise as well as "fit" wise is much harder

[The Comish]

I think they almost have to. The issue is where and for what? I wouldn't take less than what the market value should be (at least not much less, depending on how you see the market) but also matching salaries could be hard. I'm going on the assumption that salaries would need to be close to make the deal happen.
There are so many "wishful " option I can think of, bit actually sitting down and making it work numbers wise as well as "fit" wise is much harder

Definitely. Any deal would have to include a combination of players, prospects and draft picks. Malkin is a big deal.

[Instant Karma]

If they wanted to take advantage of a team that's flailing around in the dark for answers (<cough> Toronto), I'd say they should do it if they can swing it.

[27Blue]

The Pens will not trade Malkin or Crosby. Fun to think about, but it isn't going to happen.

[Instant Karma]

The Pens will not trade Malkin or Crosby. Fun to think about, but it isn't going to happen.

I'd tend to agree. i wouldn't chalk it off as an absolute impossibility, but at the same time I wouldn't bet any serious money on it.

Although I'd put Crosby on a separate tier than Malkin. They absolutely won't move him.

Pretty much any team other than the Pens wouldn't move Malkin. It's precisely that they have this immovable object in Crosby that leaves it open as a possibility. The two aren't inseparable.

[roenick27]

Not that I'm saying this would happen, but just looking at it more as a cap hit swap, you don't think the pens would entertain something like :
Schwartz + backes+ Jackman + rattie for Malkin?

Again , I'm not saying it would happen or either team would do it, but cap would be close to equal, the blues get a top tier guy and have the depth to do it. The pens lose Malkin but gain some real good forwards, a decent defensive defenseman and a good young prospect. Ot would answer most of their depth issues and its not like its all futures etc

The pens are depleted. I guess I just think if a deal somewhat similar to this came along they at least need to contemplate it

[Fast Tony DeNiro]

It's hard to separate fantasy hockey from real hockey sometimes... Malkin almost guaranteed won't be moved by the Pens. No other team would be willing to pay what I'm sure Pittsburgh would be asking for... And if they did move him the return would be underwhelming.

Fun to think about though.... Lots of trade ideas that would work in NHL 15.... Malkin for Kadri, JVR, Rielly, and Nylander.

[Rodgort]

The problem with trading Malkin is you won't get a player like Malkin back

[Slug]

Not that I'm saying this would happen, but just looking at it more as a cap hit swap, you don't think the pens would entertain something like :
Schwartz + backes+ Jackman + rattie for Malkin?

Again , I'm not saying it would happen or either team would do it, but cap would be close to equal, the blues get a top tier guy and have the depth to do it. The pens lose Malkin but gain some real good forwards, a decent defensive defenseman and a good young prospect. Ot would answer most of their depth issues and its not like its all futures etc

The pens are depleted. I guess I just think if a deal somewhat similar to this came along they at least need to contemplate it

Funny thing is if I was the Blues I wouldn't entertain that at all but if I was the Pens I'd do it in a heart beat.

[Instant Karma]

Funny thing is if I was the Blues I wouldn't entertain that at all but if I was the Pens I'd do it in a heart beat.

I frankly can't see why the Blues would even consider doing that. They're succeeding with the plan that they implemented.

There are some teams that would salivate with the idea of bagging Malkin, but the Blues aren't one of them

He might be a good fit with the RedWings, however. They've never shied away from Russian stars and they'll have to start considering Life-After-Datsyuk sooner or later.

[roenick27]

I frankly can't see why the Blues would even consider doing that. They're succeeding with the plan that they implemented.

There are some teams that would salivate with the idea of bagging Malkin, but the Blues aren't one of them

He might be a good fit with the RedWings, however. They've never shied away from Russian stars and they'll have to start considering Life-After-Datsyuk sooner or later.

I figured at best there was a minimal chance of that type of deal happening. Again I was more looking at a team with depth that could send an equal amount of cap back.
If I were the blues I don't think I'd do it, although they have the depth to do so and pairing Malkin and tank could be dreamy.
Malkin can't stay a #2 forever and IMO the main point of me starting this was to address the pens lack of depth, which needs to get fixed somehow