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    I think you are forgeting a little team called Pittsburgh...

    Minus Hossa they\'re are still a team with Crosby, Malkin, Staal, Fleury, etc. and the Hossa slap will only motivate them more...

    Look what happened when Crosby went down...Malkin became the second coming of Gretzky!

    The Hossa signing is gonna motivate these kids like you have never seen...mark my words...
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    mister_mcgoo wrote:
    ridinryan44 wrote:
    I don\'t think anyone is saying they \"will\" win, same as you wouldn\'t say they \"won\'t\" win. They have the team to do it, that\'s for dam sure...history shows us that it\'s highly unlikely. As for me, I sure as hell wouldn\'t bet against them even with the odds@!
    well given the post\'s title, I would have to disagree with you B)

    I agree with you that they\'re the smart money though, they\'ve got the best looking team I\'ve seen in awhile to repeat
    LOL good point. OK everyone except that guy... anyone who calls a team that WILL win the cup is crazy in my mind. Those odds are too high for me!!!!
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    Sure the odds are against them winning ie. the chances are that one of the other 29 teams will, but most observers have to agree that the Red wings have the best chance of repeating since well they did it last time.

    Barring injuries this great team will win again, they will get the best odds of winning in Vegas.

    I don;t have any problem with fans saying that the Red Wings will win, it\'s not like here in Vancouver where fans think we are going to win the Cup because we have Luongo.
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    Chuk wrote:
    CronoX,
    It is impossible not to include DET in the list of favourites to win, but statistically the odds of repeating favor the rest of the pack.
    There are a few other reasons as well.

    Goaltending: Of the teams you would consider favourites: SJ, MON, PIT and let\'s say DAL due to their success last year, Osgoode would be ranked last among goaltenders. Sure he made it through this year, but to do it two in a row at his age?

    Injuries: DET made the playoff run and had to suffer through the Fanzen injury but how critical was that? Take Lidstrom, Zetterberg or Datsyuk off that roster and things are a lot different.

    Playoff schedule: After a tough first round that may have caught them a little off guard, the Wings faced a pathetic shell of a COL team. If they had a tougher 2nd round opponent maybe they lose, maybe they are a little more worn down in the finals. A hot team or goalie in the palyoffs can wreck a favorite rather quickly.

    Being the favorite: If the Wings are #1, it means every coach, GM and player better be thinking of ways to beat them starting now. Line ups, acquisitions, style of play, tendencies are all going to be studied from day 1 and not the 10 days before they are faced in a cup run.

    DET is probably the best team on paper. That and a quarter might get you a phone call. So many things can happen, but if we are given a choice between the Wings vs. everybody else, the smart money takes the field. Every time.
    I agree COMPLETELY with this.

    Nothing against Detroit at all, but their goaltending is very weak compared to the other \"challenger\" teams, and they are one or two injuries (even just \"nagging\" type injuries) away from dipping out of the playoffs early.

    Detroit has won the president\'s trophy every season since 2002-03 (when they missed it by only 1 point in the standings), yet remarkably they only won the stanley cup once in that time...

    It just goes to show that you can have an OUTSTANDING team that romps competition during the regular season that doesn\'t win the cup. It happens all the time.

    Not only is detroit against the statistical improbability of repeating back-to-back, but they are also still against the statistical improbability (that EVERY team in the league faces) of just winning the cup at all.

    Bottom line:
    Detroit has had a phenominal team for a number of years in a row, and yet they hadn\'t won the cup since 2001-02. That\'s five years that they were \"favored\" to win the cup; four of which they did not win it. Why everyone (except for dobber, myself, and a few others) seems to think that the odds are somehow in detroit\'s favor is beyond me.

    In the salary cap world, every team that makes the playoffs has a chance to win the cup. Look at how far Philidelphia made it this season and how far edmonton made it a couple of years back...

    Plus while detroit is still getting older, the younger teams and players are getting more seasoned all the while gaining more playoff experience. I expect Washington to give pittsburgh a HUGE challenge this year as the eastern representative in the finals. EVERYONE on that D.C. team plays with a load of passion and unlike a lot of teams, it seems as though they don\'t know how to \"give up.\"
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    speaking of odds, here\'s what the futures are currently at for next year\'s cup:

    Detroit Red Wings 10/3
    Pittsburgh Penguins 6/1
    Montreal Canadiens 10/1
    San Jose Sharks 10/1
    Anaheim Ducks 12/1
    New York Rangers 12/1
    Washington Capitals 15/1
    New Jersey Devils 16/1
    Ottawa Senators 16/1
    Chicago Blackhawks 18/1
    Dallas Stars 18/1
    Philadelphia Flyers 18/1
    Tampa Bay Lightning 20/1
    Calgary Flames 25/1
    Colorado Avalanche 25/1
    Minnesota Wild 25/1
    Boston Bruins 30/1
    Buffalo Sabres 30/1
    Vancouver Canucks 30/1
    Carolina Hurricanes 33/1
    Edmonton Oilers 35/1
    Nashville Predator 40/1
    Florida Panthers 45/1
    Columbus Blue Jackets 55/1
    New York Islanders 60/1
    Phoenix Coyotes 60/1
    St. Louis Blues 60/1
    Toronto Maple Leafs 65/1
    Atlanta Thrashers 100/1
    Los Angeles Kings 100/1

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    mister_mcgoo wrote:
    speaking of odds, here\'s what the futures are currently at for next year\'s cup:

    Detroit Red Wings 10/3
    Pittsburgh Penguins 6/1
    Montreal Canadiens 10/1
    San Jose Sharks 10/1
    Anaheim Ducks 12/1
    New York Rangers 12/1
    Washington Capitals 15/1
    New Jersey Devils 16/1
    Ottawa Senators 16/1
    Chicago Blackhawks 18/1
    Dallas Stars 18/1
    Philadelphia Flyers 18/1
    Tampa Bay Lightning 20/1
    Calgary Flames 25/1
    Colorado Avalanche 25/1
    Minnesota Wild 25/1
    Boston Bruins 30/1
    Buffalo Sabres 30/1
    Vancouver Canucks 30/1
    Carolina Hurricanes 33/1
    Edmonton Oilers 35/1
    Nashville Predator 40/1
    Florida Panthers 45/1
    Columbus Blue Jackets 55/1
    New York Islanders 60/1
    Phoenix Coyotes 60/1
    St. Louis Blues 60/1
    Toronto Maple Leafs 65/1
    Atlanta Thrashers 100/1
    Los Angeles Kings 100/1
    WOW. No WAY do I give the LA Kings the same odds as Atlanta... are you SERIOUS? These numbers don\'t hold much water for me... I mean the PANTHERS have better odds than Phoenix and COLUMBUS? WHAT?

    Don\'t even get me started on vancouver being that highly favored. I\'m all for a goalie carrying a team in the playoffs, but the team has to get there first... with vancouver\'s current roster, I don\'t see that happening.

    But anyways... back on topic. How often does the highest ranking horse actually win the race?
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    How can Florida possibly be ahead of Phoenix?

    No offense to Panther fans but they are a mess right now...
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    just so everyone is clear, these aren\'t MY odds, these are what Vegas is laying at the moment :lol:

    yeah there are some weird blips in there to be sure, but you\'ll notice that they\'re all towards the end, so yeah I wouldn\'t put PHO below FLA or LA that far back but realistically do you think any of those teams have a real shot at winning the cup? Remember its all just a numbers game in Vegas.

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