Buy Low/Sell High Candidates

[Instant Karma]

The biggest sell high might be Voracek right now. Trade him as a 100 point player, which he'll never top imo.

See, this is what friggin' kills me about this topic. Sure, Voracek is valuable and his value is at an all-time high right now, but no one is giving you Crosby or Stamkos or Malkin or AO for him, at least not anyone sane.

Any other 100-pt players that I've forgotten about?

[packitmf]

See, this is what friggin' kills me about this topic. Sure, Voracek is valuable and his value is at an all-time high right now, but no one is giving you Crosby or Stamkos or Malkin or AO for him, at least not anyone sane.

Any other 100-pt players that I've forgotten about?

This...

Voracek is a 60 point + winger at a minimum. How many 60 point winger were there last year? 21! It's not like he is your run of the mill 50 point guy that is having a crazy career year (looking at you Alex Steen...). The guy is a legit top 10 winger in the league so, short of getting a Corey Perry or Phil Kessel for him (which I doubt would happen), you can't really "sell high" on the guy. As Instant Karma said, nobody is giving you Crosby for him...

[robmyatt]

Sell high on John Klingberg.
If I could get an injured hedman for Klingberg and a depth player like a Gallagher I would in a heartbeat!

[LakeSoup]

Sell high on John Klingberg.
If I could get an injured hedman for Klingberg and a depth player like a Gallagher I would in a heartbeat!

The problem is that Kling only has perceived high value from guys who visit the boards like us.
A lot of managers don't watch Dallas games, and rely on primitive stats like the player name and %Owned to generate an opinion.
And for the people who are high on Kling...I think they'll realize that selling Hedman for Kling + 50 pt F is selling low. Hedman is elite - top 5.

[TheBadger]

The problem is that Kling only has perceived high value from guys who visit the boards like us.
A lot of managers don't watch Dallas games, and rely on primitive stats like the player name and %Owned to generate an opinion.
And for the people who are high on Kling...I think they'll realize that selling Hedman for Kling + 50 pt F is selling low. Hedman is elite - top 5.

Exactly,, the way everyone pours kerosene on the Klingberg thread everytime he produces a stat is a bit ridiculous... lol

[Instant Karma]

lol, what kills me about this topic is you ADMIT "his value is at an all-time high right now" but in the same breath you say he shouldn't be considered a sell-high.

Bizarre.

Now, when did I say that? I don't recall saying that Voracek isn't a sell-high.

What I said was that the idea of attempting to sell him as a 100-pt. player is absurd.

[Instant Karma]

Exactly,, the way everyone pours kerosene on the Klingberg thread everytime he produces a stat is a bit ridiculous... lol

It admittedly is, but it's really the manner in which he is producing those points that is getting my attention, speaking for myself.

[LakeSoup]

It admittedly is, but it's really the manner in which he is producing those points that is getting my attention, speaking for myself.

Everytime Klingberg gets a point, it reinforces everyone's mentality that dropping X player for Klingberg was the right choice. Expect to see much more kerosene!

[2014olympicgold]

Voracek has 29pts in 20 games. 1.45ppg, or 118pts in 82 games. He won’t keep the pace up, but he is currently on pace for 118pts. I think what the poster (sorry can’t remember who) was saying if you sell him high and advertise him as a 100pt guy (which he’s on pace for) then you could get a big haul. Not a 1^st round guy, but a really good haul considering most drafted him 7^th-8^th round.

So you’re selling high on the possibility he can get 100pts, which is 71pts in 62 games. 7-13 in their first 20games last yr, and Voracek had like (I’m guessing really) 7pts there? So he finished 55pts/62games (0.88ppg). With his shooting % low last yr, you can predict somewhere between 2012-13 and 2013-14 projections. I think a 46pts to finish the yr is his low (making him a 75pt guy), I think 55pts in the final 62 games is his middle (making him a 84pt guy) and his high as PPG (making him 91pt guy).

So if someone thinks he can keep this pace up, they buy him looking for that high (sell a Kessel +, or a Benn +). But I wouldn’t sell him for anything less than a PPG right now. He can easily hit 0.9PPG (74pts/82games) and with his durability (missing 9 games in 7 years) he can get 70s consistently (as long as Giroux is there)

[TheBadger]

I made a trade for my boy Toews the other day with Voracek.

[theslymonkey]

I made a trade for my boy Toews the other day with Voracek.

I can see you're excited by this, but I don't really consider this a huge coup. Toews is a 70 point player that may scratch at 80 once or twice in a good year. Going forward, thats what Voracek is now too, as long as he remains attached at the hip with Giroux.

Toews for Voracek is more of a win because you like Toews, not because he is a more valuable asset.

[Instant Karma]

Yes, my apologies. You were only debating Johansen as a sell-high, not Voracek.
And that makes sense. I don't agree with it, but it makes sense. (I think both are sells at the moment, only if you can find a willing GM to pay through the nose, of course...)
My biggest reason for pause when considering the sustainability of each guy's pace, extreme pause actually... one of them gets to play with Claude Giroux. I would therefore have a hard time arguing with anyone who believes Johansen is more likely to regress.

Well, sure, I'd sell Johansen in a heartbeat, but only for a certain range of players. I frankly don't think he's a 60-70 pt. player who's playing out of his mind right now. I think he's a 75-85 pt. player who may be playing a bit above his norm. So I don't see him as a sell-high in that sense.

Sure, I expect he'll regress from his current pace, but i don't think he's going to regress back to a 60-70 pt. player. That would require an injury or a rather extreme regression at this point.

Remember, he's been doing this playing w/ Nick Foligno, and not Claude Giroux.

[Dutch]

Voracek has 29pts in 20 games. 1.45ppg, or 118pts in 82 games. He won’t keep the pace up, but he is currently on pace for 118pts. I think what the poster (sorry can’t remember who) was saying if you sell him high and advertise him as a 100pt guy (which he’s on pace for) then you could get a big haul. Not a 1^st round guy, but a really good haul considering most drafted him 7^th-8^th round.

So you’re selling high on the possibility he can get 100pts, which is 71pts in 62 games. 7-13 in their first 20games last yr, and Voracek had like (I’m guessing really) 7pts there? So he finished 55pts/62games (0.88ppg). With his shooting % low last yr, you can predict somewhere between 2012-13 and 2013-14 projections. I think a 46pts to finish the yr is his low (making him a 75pt guy), I think 55pts in the final 62 games is his middle (making him a 84pt guy) and his high as PPG (making him 91pt guy).

So if someone thinks he can keep this pace up, they buy him looking for that high (sell a Kessel +, or a Benn +). But I wouldn’t sell him for anything less than a PPG right now. He can easily hit 0.9PPG (74pts/82games) and with his durability (missing 9 games in 7 years) he can get 70s consistently (as long as Giroux is there)

I just traded my Voracek, Thornton, Krug, Vanek for Both Sedins, Neal, and Barrie.

I DO believe Voracek will break 80-85 pts, but I basically see my deal as 2 good players of mine, for 3.5 players of his (Neal better smarten up)

I think Sedins will be in the 70-75 pt range, so when you add the math for remainder of year, this deal puts me ahead.

But, I am not sure I would sell high on voracek because I think he will collapse in second half. I think he will maintain an awesome season, and I don't buy he needs Giroux to do it. He's got more pts than Giroux actually. It helps he plays with him, but I think he's a 70 pt player on his own these days.

[LakeSoup]

I just traded my Voracek, Thornton, Krug, Vanek for Both Sedins, Neal, and Barrie.

I DO believe Voracek will break 80-85 pts, but I basically see my deal as 2 good players of mine, for 3.5 players of his (Neal better smarten up)

I think Sedins will be in the 70-75 pt range, so when you add the math for remainder of year, this deal puts me ahead.

But, I am not sure I would sell high on voracek because I think he will collapse in second half. I think he will maintain an awesome season, and I don't buy he needs Giroux to do it. He's got more pts than Giroux actually. It helps he plays with him, but I think he's a 70 pt player on his own these days.

That's an intense deal. I think you can argue for either side of it.

[Instant Karma]

I just traded my Voracek, Thornton, Krug, Vanek for Both Sedins, Neal, and Barrie.

I DO believe Voracek will break 80-85 pts, but I basically see my deal as 2 good players of mine, for 3.5 players of his (Neal better smarten up)

I think Sedins will be in the 70-75 pt range, so when you add the math for remainder of year, this deal puts me ahead.

But, I am not sure I would sell high on voracek because I think he will collapse in second half. I think he will maintain an awesome season, and I don't buy he needs Giroux to do it. He's got more pts than Giroux actually. It helps he plays with him, but I think he's a 70 pt player on his own these days.

I think you really have to be a believer in the Sedins to make that deal. On the other hand, Vanek has been sucking like a porn star.