Suter vs McDonnagh

[VincentVega]

it doesn't matter if his offensive zone starts were high or not, the fact is they will go down and when they go down his production is going to take a slight hit as a result

again I never said he had a high number of offensive zone starts I don't know why you keep posting as if I did

I honestly don't see how expecting numbers similar to last season now that an offensive defenseman has been added to the mix is much too low

Because I think McDonagh hasn't reached his offensive peak yet, he just got started last year. Don't see why Boyle (who is clearly on the decline both offensively and defensively) will prevent McDonagh from reaching his offensive potential.

[lucifer316]

Because I think McDonagh hasn't reached his offensive peak yet, he just got started last year. Don't see why Boyle (who is clearly on the decline both offensively and defensively) will prevent McDonagh from reaching his offensive potential.

I never said he reached his offensive peak, I said his opportunities are going to lessen and as a result his numbers will not be what they could be if the Rangers hadn't signed Boyle

[vitun-tyhmä]

Because I think McDonagh hasn't reached his offensive peak yet, he just got started last year. Don't see why Boyle (who is clearly on the decline both offensively and defensively) will prevent McDonagh from reaching his offensive potential.

He won't prevent him from reaching his potential, but to argue that he won't slow him down somewhat is a little much to swallow. The Rangers could care less how many pts McDonough scores next season as long as they get back to the finals. It makes a lot more sense to use Boyle's offensive gifts here than it does McDs. I don't see it as a bad thing at all, just a matter of getting the most out of the players on your roster.

[VincentVega]

I never said he reached his offensive peak, I said his opportunities are going to lessen and as a result his numbers will not be what they could be if the Rangers hadn't signed Boyle

He won't prevent him from reaching his potential, but to argue that he won't slow him down somewhat is a little much to swallow. The Rangers could care less how many pts McDonough scores next season as long as they get back to the finals. It makes a lot more sense to use Boyle's offensive gifts here than it does McDs. I don't see it as a bad thing at all, just a matter of getting the most out of the players on your roster.

Well, we'll just have to agree to disagree on this one. You believe Boyle slows him down and I don't.

[Seeds of Grapes]

Well, we'll just have to agree to disagree on this one. You believe Boyle slows him down and I don't.

I don't believe Boyle slows him down, either. To me, the issue is Suter is a safe 45, whereas, IMO, McD has upside beyonnd that.

[Kofax]

Suter for me. Proven vs Potential in this case. There's a small to moderate chance McDonaugh outpoints Suter on a regular basis, but why risk it when the reward isn't significant?

[2014olympicgold]

With Richards doing a terrible job running the top PP line, it’s expected that job will be Boyles now. So McDonagh will get more chances on the PP than he did last yr because they can actually get into the zone without any hiccups. McDonaghs PP go up, 5on5 points the same. Boyle will compliment McDonagh and help him grow.

However, with Minnys improving offense, and Brodin/Spurgeons growth, I think Suter will do better than McDonagh. In Minny the offensive weapons complement each other well. They have fast guys with fast guys, 2-way guys with offensively minded guys. It’s all just working together well.

In Ranger city, they have speed to burn! WOAH will this team be fast! But when Hagelin or Stepan fly in front of Nash and St Louis it’s not a good complement. Kane was held back from doing what he does best because Hanzul is slower/weaker. Kane was often pulling out 1on3 highlights because he was so far ahead of his linemates. I’m seeing that in Rangers city.

In a win now/win soon mode I’m taking Suter. If you can stomach the wait for Nash, St Louis, and Boyle to leave while faster guys replace them, McDonagh will be the pick.

[Shiva Blaster]

McDonagh. He put up last year's totals after a hellish first month in which the team was on the road for the MSG renovations. The entire team was awful for the first month and he did al his damage after the 10 game mark. I see no reason why McD can't be an annual 50 point player, and his multi-cat contributions make him a no-brainer over Suter in multi-cat leagues IMO.

[hawkeyez17]

I'd go with Suter. More proven and that PP is going to be ridiculous this year. I realize he lost his father and that could be a factor, but lets not dismiss the fact that it could go the other way and he plays his ass off for his father. Suter seems like a good guy and he's a competitior so I would expect that if anything the passing of his father will make him play harder to honor the passing of his dad. McDonagh is a soild option but I just think I'd go Suter here.

[lonetarget]

I'm very intrigued by McDonagh this year, but would still opt for Suter until I see a bit more.

[arctic_rogue]

Right now, if I had to choose, it would be Suter.

Ask again in 4 or 5 months.

[fungchen3]

Toss up. Suter is more proven and steady. McD has the higher upside and is younger. I want to see McD do it again this year but I would be inclined to take the gamble and choose him. Sutes is still the top dog in Minny but Spurgeon, Brodin and Dumba will eventually carve into his PP time and offensive production. McD will delegate some to Boyle this year but it's still his show.

[Shiva Blaster]

I've owned McDonagh for the last 3 years and have watched 75% of Ranger games over that span....rest assured that he's the real deal