Reply With QuoteBut it was a poor one. You said Seguin has never played in a full season, therefore he must be injury prone. Which is not even close to being accurate.Originally Posted by Axeman33
last time I checked, a full season is all 82 games. it was an example, geez.
10 Team, Points Only, Cash League
25 Man Roster (no position), top 20 point getters count at end of month
Keep 20/25 at seasons end, Cut 5 to FA for redrafting
Goalie points W=2pt L=-1pt SHO=2pt
Stamkos, Tavares, Eichel, Mercer, JRobertson, RThomas, Kucherov, Nugent-Hopkins, Tuch, KConnor, Necas, Point, Konecny, SJarvis, Cozenz, Morrissey, Bouchard, Josi, Novak, Tolvanen, Peterka, Brink
G- Vasilevskiy, Sorokin, Oettinger
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But it was a poor one. You said Seguin has never played in a full season, therefore he must be injury prone. Which is not even close to being accurate.
That wasn't my point at all. Holy crap. My point was that we shouldn't label him as injury prone due to not playing in complete seasons and that just because these guys miss games doesn't mean we should label them as injury prone at all. Just because someone doesn't play a full season doesn't mean he deserves the label of being injury prone. Injuries happen in the game all the time.
Those four guys I put in my example were the first four names that came to me off the top of my head, and what do you know, not one of them had played in an entire season after checking in hockeydb.
Poor example or not, it was one of the first ones that came to me without having to do much research or digging. To call Nuge "injury prone" after barely playing in the NHL is ridiculous. At the end of all this back and forth between you and me these past few minutes was the overall point I was really trying to make here by using a few examples of current younger players.
10 Team, Points Only, Cash League
25 Man Roster (no position), top 20 point getters count at end of month
Keep 20/25 at seasons end, Cut 5 to FA for redrafting
Goalie points W=2pt L=-1pt SHO=2pt
Stamkos, Tavares, Eichel, Mercer, JRobertson, RThomas, Kucherov, Nugent-Hopkins, Tuch, KConnor, Necas, Point, Konecny, SJarvis, Cozenz, Morrissey, Bouchard, Josi, Novak, Tolvanen, Peterka, Brink
G- Vasilevskiy, Sorokin, Oettinger
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Its all a gamble. If I was a betting man, and I guess that I am, my money would be on RNH being more durable than not over his career and an asset to all my fantasy teams that I can scoop him up in.
As I said in an earlier post, Im all for the idea that the Nuge is a bandaid boy, it makes it much easier for me to acquire him!
Everyone knows the Oilers have made some awful blunders, but those in the know were confident enough in RNH and his surgery to ink him to a hefty contract. That really should count for something.
But really its all just educated guessing, no way to know.
OK, your point would make more sense if you didn't include Seguin who has never been injured.
I think at least part of the trouble with injuries that young players run into is with how they approach the pro game. You hear the term "nhl ready" tossed around a lot when discussing prospects but the focus is often on the physical side of the equation. And while adding strength and muscle is important, I would argue that a player's mental approach to the pro game is just as important and some guys 'get it' right away and some don't.
I think what happens sometimes with these young superstars is that they've been so dominant at all levels for so long that they think (probably often subconsciously) that it will carry over perfectly into the NHL. And it's invariably the guys who are blessed with incredible natural talent who are the most affected too, the guys who had to work a little harder to get to the NHL seem to have a better handle on the concept of constantly adapting their game, they tend to focus on the little things better and as a result they stay healthier. This is something I've noticed with Hopkins to some degree and moreso with Hall, their game looks like they're still mentally trying to play junior hockey where they can skate circles around the majority of the league...trying to deke out 3 or 4 defenders, hanging onto the puck too long, skating with their heads down, etc. But then you look at guys drafted a little later, guys like Eberle or Schiefle for example seem to play a more complete NHL game and I think that's going to serve them well with avoiding injury. It's only been one game but MacKinnon has a lot of Ovie in his game, it's exciting to watch but I don't want to see him get hurt...hopefully his buddy Sid gave him some good advice this offseason on injuries (especially concussions) and he takes it to heart.
Obviously trying to make a point with you is like trying to convince an alcoholic he needs help.
Believe me, after trying to defend my point, I feel like I need a drink.
10 Team, Points Only, Cash League
25 Man Roster (no position), top 20 point getters count at end of month
Keep 20/25 at seasons end, Cut 5 to FA for redrafting
Goalie points W=2pt L=-1pt SHO=2pt
Stamkos, Tavares, Eichel, Mercer, JRobertson, RThomas, Kucherov, Nugent-Hopkins, Tuch, KConnor, Necas, Point, Konecny, SJarvis, Cozenz, Morrissey, Bouchard, Josi, Novak, Tolvanen, Peterka, Brink
G- Vasilevskiy, Sorokin, Oettinger
"Cleavage is like the sun. You can look, but dont stare.. Unless you're wearing sunglasses."
Suppose you own a vehicle and before heading to work in the morning you notice it has a flat tire. You put air in the tire and drive it to work and back home again with no problems with it. The next morning you notice the tire is flat again so you put air in it and take it to work and back again with no issues. The next morning the tire is flat again so you fill it up with air and use it again. After a week of needing to fill the tire with air every morning you decide there's probably something wrong with the tire so you buy a new tire. The next week there is no longer a problem with the tire.
Do you call the vehicle a lemon because it constantly had something wrong with it?
In 2 NHL seasons, RNH has missed 29 games (and counting) with a left shoulder injury. That shoulder has now been repaired. I expect him to be the Oilers leading scorer for many years starting next year and should be right around the point per game mark.
I would rep you again, if I could. I would have lost it, you kept your cool.
13 team Keeper, top 8F, 4D and 2G count. 1pt G/A, 2pt W/SO.
Protect up to 500 points in a full season
(K) denotes keeper
Keepers:
F: Draisaitl, Thompson, Thomas, Zuccarello, Konecny, Marchessault Ehlers, O'Reilly, Tarasenko, Perron, Coronato, Seguin, Atkinson, Rossi, Michkov
D: Q Fox, Sergachev, Dobson, York, Hutson
G: Vasilevsky, Jarry, Levi
I'm not sure if RNH is a band-aid boy or not, but I saw the opportunity to buy low on a ppg(plus?) center as an expansion team.
I traded Loui Erikkson - a very underrated and servicable player that should put up 30/30, and scrubs; for a chance to get a franchise center for the next decade plus.
Do I think that RNH is a band aid boy? It's too early to tell. Not comparing him to Sidney Crosby, but Sidney Crosby is a band aid boy who I wouldn't be surprised never a full 82 game season for the rest of his career. The point is so what, you are still going to get excellent contribution regardless when he does play.
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Forwards: Backstrom,Ovechkin,Kuznetsov,Forsberg,Tavares, Barkov,Huberdeau,Stamkos,Hall,J.Hockey,Dadonov,Carter,Perry,Kesler,Maroon
Defense: Karlsson,Hedman,OEL,Klingberg,Krug,Byfuglien,Keith,Seabrook
Goalies: Bobrovsky,Vasilevsky
Prospects: Bokk,Hayton,Dobson,Blackwood,Comrie,Hogberg
Scoring: G: 2 A: 1 +/-: 0.5 PIM: 0.2 W: 4 L: -1 SO:5 OTL: 1
80 pts ceiling for RNH
do i think he meets it?
no. This wimp is 'glass'. Oilers know ' jack' hence why oilers never win 'squat'.
"shoulder surgery is different now than 5 yr ago"....no its not...its the exact same.....how did marty havlat recover after his shoulder surgerys???
RNH will play perimeter hockey and never meet his potential. oilers are fools. RNH 'tricked' them.
Its contracts like RNH's that ruin the NHL
Tyler Seguin had wrist surgery a couple years a go to fix an injured wrist that he played through. RNH had shoulder surgery to fix an injured shoulder that he has played through since junior. If one is injury prone, the other is as well. Both have had surgery to fix an injured body part that they tried to play through.
This post is 'dumb' and makes no 'sense'. No player who can play in the NHL is a 'wimp' and bones are intrinsically not 'glass'. Quotations like 'this' makes me think you don't even know what they 'mean'.
'Gretzky' played 'perimeter' 'hockey' and met his 'potential'. That point is 'irrelevant'.
It's post like 'this' that rise questions of your 'intelligence'.
Minor hand surgery that forced him to miss zero games vs serious shoulder surgery.
Again, people are wording thins wrong. RNH isn't injury prone yet. Even if he never gets injured again, his shoulder can affect his production.
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