Scheifele would be my pick, I'm not a huge fan of Kreider.
I am up in my league's prospect draft, and these two look to be my best two options left. I am leaning toward Scheifele, but Kreider looks good also. Who would you choose for the present and future?
10 Team Keeper League - No Cap - 7 Keepers + Activated Farm Players on Year
Scoring(Points) - +/- - 1, A - 2.5, G - 3, Hits - 0.5, PIM - 0.5, PPG - 0.5,GWG/SH - 1, GAA - 0.5, SO - 1, SPCT - .05, W - 2.5
11 or 12 Active F - 4 or 5 Active D - 2 Active G - 4 Bench - 2 IR
Team
F - Galchenyuk, Pastrnak, Johansen, Kucherov, Huberdeau, Wennberg, Aho, Nylander - Free Keeper
D -
G -
Farm (Yrs left to be activated) - Eichel (1), Laine (2), Puljujarvi (2), Rantanen (2), P.L. Dubois (2), M. Murray (2), Patrick (3), Boeser (3), Jost (3)
Scheifele would be my pick, I'm not a huge fan of Kreider.
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This one is tough, have to leave towards Scheifele though as he should become the top line center in Winnipeg with ample powerplay time. I wouldn't expect either to help you much this season.
I would go with Scheifele as well - much less competition and IMO higher upside. Neither will get a lot of points this year, probably similar numbers but I would expect Scheifele to be putting up decent numbers within a couple of years.
12 Team Dynasty, H2H (points)
Dress 2C, 4W, 1F, 4D, 1G (Daily)
G (3), A (2), STP (1), SHOG (1), +/- (0.5), SOG (0.2), Hits (0.2), Blk (0.2), FOW (0.1); W (5), SO (2), Sv (0.2), GA (-1)
C - Draisaitl (W), Hughes, Larkin, Trochek
W - T.Thompson (C), Pastrnak, Reinhart, Batherson, Nichushkin, Duchene (C), Zuccarello
D - Dahlin, Theodore, Bouchard, Faber, Werenski, Skjei
G - Jarry, Gustavsson, Montembault
Fm - Bordeleau, Barlow, Lucius, G.Perreault, Luneau, Perunovich, Nikishin
Scheifele
Need to see more from Kreider the playoff was insanely impressive but sometimes players just get hot.
I would flip that around, on pure upside Kreider blows Scheifele away imo. His combo of size and speed is pretty much unique currently in the NHL, and he's had an NHL caliber shot for a few years now. He's a little lacking in the hockey sense area, but most power forwards are and his speed will help cover a lot of that.
I would take Kreider here, although I do like Scheifele as well. It's true there's less competition in Winnipeg, but I still prefer Kreider both short and long term.
20 Team Dynasty (points per) - G (25, 50 for defense) A (25) PIM (3) PPP (15) SHP (25) OTG (15) GWG (25) HTr (50) SOW (75) HIT (1) BLK (2) W (50) SHO (100) OTL (10) GA (-15) SV (2) Use actual NHL salary
Start 12 F, 6 D, 1G weekly
F: Kucherov, Marchand, Barkov, Gaudreau, Laine, Aho, Dubois, Dadonov, Huberdeau, Trocheck, Bertuzzi, Beauvillier, Khaira, Grigorenko
D: Ekman-Larsson, Yandle, Edler, Pulock, Borowiecki, Weegar, Mike Reilly
G: Andersen, Hart
Farm: Boldy, Beckman, Wise, Mascherin, Kovalenko, Manukyan, Walker, Morozov, Shafigullin, Palmu, Tychonic, Zhuravlyov, Kesselring, Zamula, Lankinen, Sogaard, Ingram, Rybar
Kreider now by a good margin, but with time Scheifele will close the gap, and could very difinitely be the better option in the future.
Personally I go with the better present day option, and that's Kreider, on top of that he could be the better future player as well.
10 team Full Keeper Roto League
4C-4LW-4RW-6D-2G-5bench-unlimited farm.
C= eichel,horvat,malkin,kuznetsov
LW= forsberg,kreider,lee,b.tkchuch,hertle,granlund
RW= reinhart,radulov,hoffman,laine,hayes
D= doughty,ghostebehere,karlsson,jones,klefbom,dahlin ,skjei
G= price,murray,grubauer,georgiev,ullmark,samsonov
under250gp=nichushkin,tuch,mathesson,marino,pujuja rvi,hosang,terry,andersson,j.hughes,patrik,crouse, zadina,podkolzin,k.miller,nedeljkovic,kravtsov,hay ton
--G,A,P,PPP,SHP,GWG,PIMS,+/-,SOG,hits,FOW,blks-Wins,GAA,SV%,saves,SO
This is a really good question and if timeline is no issue I'm really not sure who I'd take BUT for me timeline is always an issue and for that simple fact I'd take Kreider. In the long run I see these guys as very comparable players.....30-30 type guys.
I'll put a vote in for Kreider
10 team full keeper roto 4C/LW/RW,6D,2G
G,A,P,+/-,PIM,SOG,GWG,PPP,SHP,Hit,Blk,FOW
W,GAA,SV,SV%,SHO
C-Aho,Couturier,Matthews,O'Reilly
LW-Ehlers,Giroux,Panarin,Rust
RW-Kucherov,Palmieri,Pastrnak,Wilson
D-Burns,Carlson,Gudas,Josi,Nurse,Pietrangelo
G-Fleury,F.Andersen,Markstrom
BN-Zacha
Under 250 gp farm
Beaucage,Berggren,Bokk,Brisson,Chytil,Dugan,Foerst er,Foote,Frost,Grewe,K.Johnson,Lindblom,Mikheyev,N ybeck,Peterka,Pospisil,Protas,Ranta,Raty,Stankoven ,Suzuki,Tuomaala
Alexeyev,Brook,Foote,Graves,Poirier,Sanderson,Seid er,Wilde,Woo,Zamula
Berdin,Brossoit,Commesso,Ersson,Husso,Knight,Koche tkov,Lafontaine,Oettinger,Primeau,Sandstrom,Stolar z,Ustimenko,Vladar
I'm with dmvincent, not feeling all the kreider love on these boards.. Guy simply does not have the hockey sense/playmaking ability to be a big point producer. His size and speed assure him of a spot in the show, but really I think he will end up a Cy Young type (think Johan franzen). 40-25-65 upside. I personally think he ends up a goal heavy 50-60 pt player.
Gimme scheifele.
Dynasty - $100/yr buy-in - YEAR 8 - $100M CAP
G A PTS +/- PIM PPP SOG W GAA SV% SO
C - Crosby, Malkin, Getzlaf
LW - Pavelski, Domi
RW - Seguin, Perry
D - Letang, OEL, Carlson, Hamilton, J. Schultz
Util - M. Koivu, Aho, Spooner, Atkinson
G - Rask, Quick
BENCH
Brassard, Bjugstad, Jagr, Gallagher, N. Ritchie, Buchnevich, Ekblad, Beaulieu, Severson, Lundqvist
PROSPECT
Puljujarvi, Boeser, Barzal, Dal Colle, Fiala, Sergachev, Lindell
FOUR TIME DEFENDING CHAMPION
I ended up taking Scheifele. I do have the option of getting Kreider later on, but its so close I went with the one with a much clearer path. I am pretty certain I will be able to acquire Kreider again as the person who took him in my league does not have an affinity for prospects.
10 Team Keeper League - No Cap - 7 Keepers + Activated Farm Players on Year
Scoring(Points) - +/- - 1, A - 2.5, G - 3, Hits - 0.5, PIM - 0.5, PPG - 0.5,GWG/SH - 1, GAA - 0.5, SO - 1, SPCT - .05, W - 2.5
11 or 12 Active F - 4 or 5 Active D - 2 Active G - 4 Bench - 2 IR
Team
F - Galchenyuk, Pastrnak, Johansen, Kucherov, Huberdeau, Wennberg, Aho, Nylander - Free Keeper
D -
G -
Farm (Yrs left to be activated) - Eichel (1), Laine (2), Puljujarvi (2), Rantanen (2), P.L. Dubois (2), M. Murray (2), Patrick (3), Boeser (3), Jost (3)
I would of gone with Kreider
Straight Points keeper league. Keep 5 Forwards,3 defence,1 goalie.
F: Nicklas Backstrom, Joe Thornton, Henrik Zetterberg, Zach Parise, Logan Couture
D: Erik Karlsson, Alex Pietrangelo, Oliver Ekman-Larsson
G: Sergei Bobrovsky