Luongo vs Schneider

[ericdaoust]

For real. Take away October and he's a top 5-10 goalie every month this past season:

October 3.54 .869
November 2.30 .924
December 2.04 .928
January 2.07 .932
February 2.19 .928
March 2.69 .921

In some cases it's just fun for people to pile on. Luongo could win the cup yet as soon as he hits a slump he would be the same floppy inconsistent guy with no mental toughness.

[hockeyrobot]

In some cases it's just fun for people to pile on. Luongo could win the cup yet as soon as he hits a slump he would be the same floppy inconsistent guy with no mental toughness.

Exactly. Most statiscal arguments in hockey can be skewed any which way people want.

[Loch]

Exactly. Most statiscal arguments in hockey can be skewed any which way people want.

It's true.
79.6%* of statistics in hockey forums are thoroughly misleading to the point of being fraudulent. 65%* of forum posters admit to fabricating statistics and 88%* admit to repeating stats simply because 'they seem right'.

I recently conducted a door to door survey of 20 Dobber forum participants and fully 95%* responded in the affirmative to at least 1 question. It just doesn't get much clearer than that.

Never, ever, believe stats!
(particularly the 36-24-36 that the 'escort' claims in her cheap newspaper ad...)



* All stats pulled out of my ass, hence the smell.

[blayze]

It's true.
79.6%* of statistics in hockey forums are thoroughly misleading to the point of being fraudulent. 65%* of forum posters admit to fabricating statistics and 88%* admit to repeating stats simply because 'they seem right'.

I recently conducted a door to door survey of 20 Dobber forum participants and fully 95%* responded in the affirmative to at least 1 question. It just doesn't get much clearer than that.

Never, ever, believe stats!
(particularly the 36-24-36 that the 'escort' claims in her cheap newspaper ad...)



* All stats pulled out of my ass, hence the smell.

It's true... I pull fake stats out of my ass to support my arguments all the time.

[Carcillo]

or another radical thought....three way trade with MAF going to Toronto, Toronto sending gardiner, kadri and colborne to van...van sending luongo to Pit?

Pittsburgh wouldn't touch that deal with a ten foot pole. Yikes.

[Seeds of Grapes]

So, now that Van's season is over, who stays and who goes? Personally, I feel that Lu is a stud, but that he has worn out his welcome in Van. I see Lu to Toronto as a possibility.

[casimiri]

I might be the only one that thinks this way but Vancouver's window to win is now (next year is their last kick at the can) and they just need to get some real depth up front and a decent defender (their 6 are way overrated and soft). If Columbus comes knocking for Schneider in a package for Nash, Luongo stays in Vancouver. If Vancouver decides to blow the team up, watch for Luongo to move to a team like the Islanders.

If Luongo ends up in Toronto, it will be a disaster. He's not strong enough between the ears for the assault the media will put on him after a 3 or 4 goal game.

[STONE.]

If Vancouver decides to blow the team up, watch for Luongo to move to a team like the Islanders.

If Luongo ends up in Toronto, it will be a disaster. He's not strong enough between the ears for the assault the media will put on him after a 3 or 4 goal game.

No way Van will "blow the team up". With the Sedins and Kesler inked for awhile, it's fine tuning for sure. Don't let this first round exit erase the Stanley Cup finals the year prior.

I do agree with your Luongo/Toronto point though. Not sure T-dot is the best place for him.

As a Nucks fan, I don't know who I want them to keep -- I just hope they get a solid return for either. Part of me knows that Lu isn't the problem, but part of me also thinks a change wouldn't be bad news either.

[ross10019]

My 2 cents.

The Canucks will much prefer to trade Luongo and keep Schneider, and will shop Luongo more aggressively, but ultimately to get the kind of return they want they will need to trade Schneider. He will bring immediate dividends and this Canucks team remains a "win now" team with a decreasing window of opportunity - with Luongo between the pipes and the added depth players or very high level prospect (or both) that a Schneider trade would bring, the Canucks will easily be Cup contenders for a couple more years minimum.

I firmly believe that Luongo's trade value is VERY low, given the other options that GMs have, and if Gillis does trade him it will end up being to take back a big contract in return (albeit it with a good player coming with it). If Gillis wants the homerun deal, it'll clearly have to be Schneider that goes.

That's why I was so surprised they went with Schneider for Game 4, I would have bet my house that Gillis would have made sure AV went with Luongo. Schneider would still have the exact same trade value pretty much, but Luongo's trade value would be a notch higher.

Will certainly be interesting to see what transpires - either way, Canucks should be in good shape as they will either have Schneider locked up long term (he's gold) plus some cap space freed up to add players, in addition to whoever they get for Luongo, or they'll have a still very good Luongo there and with the potential homerun return they will get for a Schneider trade.

[casimiri]

They may have made a finals run last year but: after winning the presidents trophy, winning one game and losing three at home...this team is in need of a shake up. They need to fix their D, add a tough player up front, and acquire a legit goal scorer in this off season. Either goalie would be a good choice to keep. Schneider being the one that will garner the greater return.

[Axeman33]

My 2 cents.

The Canucks will much prefer to retain Luongo and keep Schneider, and will shop Luongo more aggressively, but ultimately to get the kind of return they want they will need to trade Schneider. He will bring immediate dividends and this Canucks team remains a "win now" team with a decreasing window of opportunity - with Luongo between the pipes and the added depth players or very high level prospect (or both) that a Schneider trade would bring, the Canucks will easily be Cup contenders for a couple more years minimum.

I firmly believe that Luongo's trade value is VERY low, given the other options that GMs have, and if Gillis does trade him it will end up being to take back a big contract in return (albeit it with a good player coming with it). If Gillis wants the homerun deal, it'll clearly have to be Schneider that goes.

That's why I was so surprised they went with Schneider for Game 4, I would have bet my house that Gillis would have made sure AV went with Luongo. Schneider would still have the exact same trade value pretty much, but Luongo's trade value would be a notch higher.

Will certainly be interesting to see what transpires - either way, Canucks should be in good shape as they will either have Schneider locked up long term (he's gold) plus some cap space freed up to add players, in addition to whoever they get for Luongo, or they'll have a still very good Luongo there and with the potential homerun return they will get for a Schneider trade.

Well said and I totally agree with everything in here. It is certainly going to be an interesting summer leading up to and the day of the draft for the Canucks. I think thats the day all the pewp will hit the fan for them as for their decision day. Going to be a real fun day to watch for sure.

[Pengwin7]

2012-2013 VAN #1 Goalie: Schneider
Luongo will end up in: Tampa Bay.

I'm standing by this prediction for the off-season.

Others:
1. Parise or Ryan Suter to end up in Detroit
2. Shea Weber will be tendered & Nashville will take the picks
4. Mike Green & Alex Semin both to be traded/not-signed from Washington

[Axeman33]

2012-2013 VAN #1 Goalie: Schneider
Luongo will end up in: Tampa Bay.

I'm standing by this prediction for the off-season.

Others:
1. Parise or Ryan Suter to end up in Detroit
2. Shea Weber will be tendered & Nashville will take the picks
4. Mike Green & Alex Semin both to be traded/not-signed from Washington

I think he ends up in Toronto. Just my opinion, but TBay is another solid option.

I think Suter resigns in Nashville and Parise ends up in SJ
Weber will be resigned by Nashville

I actually agree with your thoughts on Green/Semin. I can see Semin in Detroit. Green?? Who the hell knows.

[His Dudeness]

That's why I was so surprised they went with Schneider for Game 4, I would have bet my house that Gillis would have made sure AV went with Luongo. Schneider would still have the exact same trade value pretty much, but Luongo's trade value would be a notch higher.

I guess unless Luongo got lit up in game 4. Maybe the thinking was that Luongo played pretty well in games 1 and 2 so why tempt fate.

[ovi42]

I really think that there will be more to this beyond the salary, trade return, etc...that are all ,measurable items. The baggage that comes with Luongo might be worth sheding even if they get nothing back beyond cap space by moving him. There really seems to be a cloud hanging over the Nucks that is all focused on Lou. It obviously shouldn't all be put on his shoulders, but it is, and clearing that from the dressing room and the city might be worth it's weight in gold. The change in attitude and a fresh start for both Lou and the Nucks that would come with moving him could really have a greater impact that anything related to trade assets and salary cap. Of course, all of these things need to factor in together to make a proper assesment, but I don't think the factors that aren't necessarily measurable can be overlooked.