Kulikov vs Shattenkirk? Higher ceiling?

[arctic_rogue]

Shattenkirk and Kulikov have put up somewhat similar standard fantasy numbers this season (aside from +/-). Generally, Shattenkirk's name is usually associated with higher regard - at least in my experiences. But who has the higher ceiling?

In the midyear guide, Dobber has Shattenkirk's upside as 70 and 3YP as 56. Some claim that STL will be Pietrangelo's team and Shattenkirk's output will suffer slightly. I would assume if this comes to fruition, Shatt's output will suffer somewhat.

On the other hand, Kulikov was given an upside of 58 and 3YP of 46. With Campbell ahead of him for next couple of years, this may be a quite accurate estimation.

Anyone have any thoughts on how they compare? Who has the better potential over the next couple of seasons?

[notoriousjim]

i think 3 year upside factors in team mates as they stand, overall upside is more of a perfect situation.

Shattenkirk i still see as having as much upside as any player in the league. the 3 year upside i think is based more in the face that he is a RFA in 3 years. He may get moved if it looks like he will want big money, since they do not want to be in a suter/weber situation. as we have seen with ensrom and big buff 2 d can be sucessful on the same team. That i not the same in every regard since big buff shoots a ton and does not play like a typical offensive D.

Kuli is progressing, but still feels more raw to me, he is almost 2 years younger.

[keytolife]

In fantasy hockey Shattenkirk is the better player, while i would take DMitry in the NHl every day every night. In my eyes Shatts offensive upside is a step above Dmitrys. On the other hand Kulikov is a more complete player in terms of NHL player, his spot is a lot safer than Shattenkirks with his play on both sides. He is a very hard worker with a great work ethic but so far Shattenkirk hasn´t shown that he will lose his spot somehow. You still gotta roll with Shatts if you got the chance for fantasy..

[Lixxiq]

Am I the only one thinking that 70 pts upside for Shattenkirk is way to high?
Never ever he'll reach even 60 pts, maybe not even 50.

He's on pace for 39 pts this year and things work quiet well for the Blues.

STL is currently on 2nd place. What about the Blues coming back down to earth? What then? Will his numbers go up? Defintely not.

70 pts... Come On! That's a really bad joke!

[keytolife]

Am I the only one thinking that 70 pts upside for Shattenkirk is way to high?
Never ever he'll reach even 60 pts, maybe not even 50.

He's on pace for 39 pts this year and things work quiet well for the Blues.

STL is currently on 2nd place. What about the Blues coming back down to earth? What then? Will his numbers go up? Defintely not.

70 pts... Come On! That's a really bad joke!

The overall upside in dobbers guide is usually pretty brutal. But it´s under the best possible circumstances.

I´d say Shattenkirk hits 55 and Kulikov settles arround 45-50...

[bluezbreakaway]

Am I the only one thinking that 70 pts upside for Shattenkirk is way to high?
Never ever he'll reach even 60 pts, maybe not even 50.

He's on pace for 39 pts this year and things work quiet well for the Blues.

STL is currently on 2nd place. What about the Blues coming back down to earth? What then? Will his numbers go up? Defintely not.

70 pts... Come On! That's a really bad joke!

Blues coming back down to earth? That's even a better joke. The fact that their winning is due to defense, that's just silly talk. Their offensive numbers are slightly down to what they should be and defense is exactly where it should be. Elliot is probably playing a little over his head, but better yet Halak is starting to play like he should. Not sure how much a team can come back to earth when they a winning off of defensive plays not offensive plays.

[dmvincent]

Shattenkirk and Kulikov have put up somewhat similar standard fantasy numbers this season (aside from +/-). Generally, Shattenkirk's name is usually associated with higher regard - at least in my experiences. But who has the higher ceiling?

In the midyear guide, Dobber has Shattenkirk's upside as 70 and 3YP as 56. Some claim that STL will be Pietrangelo's team and Shattenkirk's output will suffer slightly. I would assume if this comes to fruition, Shatt's output will suffer somewhat.

On the other hand, Kulikov was given an upside of 58 and 3YP of 46. With Campbell ahead of him for next couple of years, this may be a quite accurate estimation.

Anyone have any thoughts on how they compare? Who has the better potential over the next couple of seasons?

I would take Shattenkirk, I think he'll be the better offensive dman.

[DerekReese]

I´d say Shattenkirk hits 55 and Kulikov settles arround 45-50...

I agree with with Keytolife here.

[Mater]

Am I the only one thinking that 70 pts upside for Shattenkirk is way to high?
Never ever he'll reach even 60 pts, maybe not even 50.

He's on pace for 39 pts this year and things work quiet well for the Blues.

STL is currently on 2nd place. What about the Blues coming back down to earth? What then? Will his numbers go up? Defintely not.

70 pts... Come On! That's a really bad joke!

Last year I might have thought the same about Karlsson's upside of 80. He is on pace to be fairly close.

[blayze]

Shatty's got the higher ceiling and he'll also bring a better mix of peripherals.

[arctic_rogue]

Lots of great arguments here folks. I know it is truly an (educated) guessing game at this point. I am sure two or three years ago must of us would have taken E.Johnson over the two of those guys.

[fungchen3]

I'd say Shattenkirk hits 55 and Kulikov settles arround 45-50...

This is about right IMO. Although as the Panthers improve, Kulikov could be 50+ himself. The problem with Florida is the "unknown" - they are a very unpredictable club. If I had to guess, I would say:

Shattenkirk - steady dosage of 45-55 points (could peak at 62 if all goes well).

Kulikov - steady dosage of 42-50 (could also peak at 58-60 if all goes well).

These guys are pretty close but Shattenkirk has the slight edge in fantasy, although I actually like Kulikov's skills more - I just don't see him putting up more points on average over the next decade. Close though.