Holtz , Benson, Stankoven

[poolsharks]

Hey guys ,

How would rank these three ? How close is it ?

[zambronies]

Benson
Stankoven

Holtz


I like Benson the most. What Stankoven had done in Juniors and the AHL is extremely impressive though. These two are close for me. I would put Holtz behind both of them. I just haven’t seen enough from him yet.

[poolsharks]

Thx . Yeah people forget that Holtz was ppg in theAHL

[Belexus75]

Holtz
Benson

Stankoven

[poolsharks]

I like Benson and Stankoven a bit better . Is it close between these 2 and Holtz or not ?

[poolsharks]

Holtz
Benson

Stankoven

Interesting !

[Belexus75]

Interesting !

Holtz plays under 12 min and is close to 0.5 ppg with just 81 games. Only thing going against him is how stacked NJ team is up front but i firmly belive he will break through that blockage at somepoint soon and will get close to 70 point pace. Maybe as early as next year.

And its not that other two will have their ice time handed to them, there are many road blocks for them too..i also think that Stankoven will struggle to find his game at NHL level but time will tell.

its very easy to jump at new shiny toy....

[poolsharks]

Holtz plays under 12 min and is close to 0.5 ppg with just 81 games. Only thing going against him is how stacked NJ team is up front but i firmly belive he will break through that blockage at somepoint soon and will get close to 70 point pace. Maybe as early as next year.

And its not that other two will have their ice time handed to them, there are many road blocks for them too..i also think that Stankoven will struggle to find his game at NHL level but time will tell.

its very easy to jump at new shiny toy....

Good points !

[poolsharks]

I was trying to get Benson from one owner or Stankoven from another but it looks like I’d have to add quite a bit to my Holtz to get either one . Doesn’t look like it’s worth it …

[zambronies]

Holtz plays under 12 min and is close to 0.5 ppg with just 81 games. Only thing going against him is how stacked NJ team is up front but i firmly belive he will break through that blockage at somepoint soon and will get close to 70 point pace. Maybe as early as next year.

And its not that other two will have their ice time handed to them, there are many road blocks for them too..i also think that Stankoven will struggle to find his game at NHL level but time will tell.

its very easy to jump at new shiny toy....

Putting Holtz at the bottom for me was less about the ‘shiny new toy’ and more about production. Let’s dive in.

Stankoven is leading the AHL in his rookie season with 55 points in 45 games. That is a 1.22 PPG pace. Two seasons ago Holtz was just shy of a PPG pace, and put up 11 points in 14 games last season.

Benson has not looked out of place playing in the NHL as an 18 year old which is impressive within itself. As he continues to develop, I am much more comfortable with him fighting for more ice time than what lies in Holtz’s way.

[zambronies]

It amounts to the same thing though- these shiny new toys are getting deployment whereas the last one didn't. In three years when none of this matters do you have Holtz at the bottom? I've got him at the top- no joke. Stankoven will be a beauty but if you think NJs top six is bad- you might want to look at the situation he AND Bourque are walking into in Dallas. Again I love me some Benson but here's the thing- hiding down a middle six spot in a very competetove top nine is very impressive for an 18 year old but its just NOT a guaranteed predictor of future scoring- lol! I'm not trying to downplay his talent- hes very damn good- but im just not sure his situation is all that much different from Holtz. You have him above and thats all good I'm just trying to clarify that the "shiny new toy" thing is a very real factor in the prospect game. I didn't even say that word initially but the shoe fits here.

Rewind to when Holtz was drafted- he went 7th but could have went as high as third- billed as the best goalscorer in a staggeringly competetive class. Respectfully I submit you'd probably have him at the top.of the list lol! And the only thing that happened is time- lol! He dominated the A as well and then just hasn't gotten any real.opportunity in NJ yet. The funny part about all of this is that he actually IS right now. If Holtz gets 9 in his next 10- this narrative flips all the way onto its head imho...

If you think it amounts to the same thing, you absolutely missed the point of my post.

Holtz did do very well in the AHL. He scored at a 0.94 PPG pace down there. That is solid. The point I think you missed however, is that Stankoven is scoring at a 1.24 PPG pace in the AHL and leads the league. That is considerably better than Holtz. So to clarify a bit further - If Holtz and Stankoven were in the AHL at the same time, I would prefer the player scoring at a 1.24 PPG pace over the one at a 0.94 PPG pace.

Now Benson I have at the top of the three. At 18 years old the team elected to keep him in the NHL and not send him down after 11 games. He has not looked out of place, and continues to impress from what I’ve seen. Over the next 2-3 seasons, I see him having the highest upside and the easiest job solidifying a top role with his team.

As a Holtz owner I’m sure you are very invested in him, and that is what makes fantasy hockey so fun. But as someone who does not own any of the 3, this is my opinion from the outside looking in.

[Daydream Nation]

If you think it amounts to the same thing, you absolutely missed the point of my post.

Holtz did do very well in the AHL. He scored at a 0.94 PPG pace down there. That is solid. The point I think you missed however, is that Stankoven is scoring at a 1.24 PPG pace in the AHL and leads the league. That is considerably better than Holtz. So to clarify a bit further - If Holtz and Stankoven were in the AHL at the same time, I would prefer the player scoring at a 1.24 PPG pace over the one at a 0.94 PPG pace.

Now Benson I have at the top of the three. At 18 years old the team elected to keep him in the NHL and not send him down after 11 games. He has not looked out of place, and continues to impress from what I’ve seen. Over the next 2-3 seasons, I see him having the highest upside and the easiest job solidifying a top role with his team.

As a Holtz owner I’m sure you are very invested in him, and that is what makes fantasy hockey so fun. But as someone who does not own any of the 3, this is my opinion from the outside looking in.

Good post and I agree on all points.

[zambronies]

So I own Htz AND Stankoven so thats not the bias there.

I'll try saying this a different way- im guessing you have Stankoven higher because you're envisioning him Stutzling his way into a ppg territory by next season? I just dont see it- I'm a huge Stankovem fan but his size is a legitimate issue AND he faces a ton of competition. The reality is he'll probably spend next season getting his feet wet 30-50 games 12 minutes a night and then by next season were lookimg for 40-50 without much powerplay exposure...

OR

Said another way- just about exactly what we've seen out of Holtz the last two years lol! Thats what I mean by shiny new toy- most poolies feel the way you do but its because nobody wants to accept that 95% of prospect will face genuine hurtles making it into the NHL, finding a way to stick and get icetime and then finding a way to score. Whats happening with Holtz will almost certainly happen to Stankoven- its a pretty standard process/timeframe- but poolies will.alqays insist that the next big thing is "too talented to struggle" and I dont mean to be the bearer of bad news but its an argument thats chalk full.of wh9les. Elias Petterson, Nathan Mackinnon, Jack Hughes- they all took the long way. I'm going to bet Stankoven does too just like Holtz IS doing lol!

If you're rankimg guys higher- its cause you're buying into the hype- and fair enough but when the dust settles very very few players take the Stutzle route to instant relevance and trying to predict a lottery outcome. If 19 out of 20 elite prospects take 3 years to acclimate to the NHL- I'm just going to factor that into my rankings. All three guys have elite upside but I think you'll have 2-3 years of "meh" fantasy results with any of them. In their prime I think they end up very close and I'm just skipping the part where I rank Stankoven because I really really want him to be a big impact out of the gate. You rank them.how.you like though- and I'm sure most peiple.would end up closer to your way of thinking lol! I've been at this a long time though and to me Holtz is two years further along and imho a lot closer to giving a team real results..

I really don’t think you read, and/or understood my post as we just seem to be going in circles here. With that, I will happily agree to disagree here and hope you enjoy the rest of the weekend! Cheers!

[zambronies]

Stankoven sure has looked good so far….

[finnys_fanatsy]

all too young to rank properly for me. im betting in 2-3yrs you wouldn't be able to pass a toothpick thru the differences in point production.

ranking for the sake of ranking:

Holtz
Benson
Stank