Elite F vs Elite G

[Rhem]

Looking to next year in a banger Roto (non H2H) league that has Wins,Gaa,save%,saves, SO.
What is more valuable elite F or elite G?
Example Huberdeau or Shesterkin.

[Lindros88]

Absolutely an elite G... You can recreate an elite forward on your roster with say two very good players, each filling a portion of the categories, and you can stream in what you're missing each week.

Goalies are not already limited, but the handful of elite goalies are extremely hard to get. You're not going to be able to recreate a Shesterkin by going out and getting two other goalies.. those ratios are tough to sustain.

[StanStanley]

It depends of how elite the player is. Give me McDavid or Draisaitl before Shesterkin but in this case, give me Shesterkin before Huberdeau.

I think elite forwards are easier to find than elite goalies.

[Wonko]

Thing about "Elite" goalies is that they can falter (see Hellebuyck) and fall from grace more often than Elite forwards (Vas is the only exception imo due to his incredibly long and consistent history of top production). Shesty looks like a million bucks and may even have a chance to win the Vezina this season, but his status as a top 5 net minder going into next season is much more volatile than an elite forwards producing another elite season. Not picking on Shesterkin here, same goes for Saros and Andersen, ect..

Goalies generally, even ones who have an "elite" season, fluctuate more year to year than elite forwards do.

That has been my experience.

Just my 2 sense.

[Rhem]

Good point Wonko. That is the other side of the coin. Of course if Shesterkin does this every year it’s him for sure.
But even Vas fluctuates a bit from year to year. Look at this season even with him.
I wonder if Huberdeau (Or Kucherov) are better keepers due to the fact they have less volatility.

[senryu]

Elite goalies are more valuable when they're elite. But longer-term, elite forwards are more valuable because their period of elite production is generally longer, and as Wonko states, goalie variance is much higher than variance at skater positions.

All that being said, you need to plant your stake somewhere and apart from McDavid, Matthews, Makar, MacKinnon and Draisaitl, I think Shestyorkin is the next best keeper in most systems.

[J0e Th0rnton]

Looking to next year in a banger Roto (non H2H) league that has Wins,Gaa,save%,saves, SO.
What is more valuable elite F or elite G?
Example Huberdeau or Shesterkin.

What percentage of categories do goalies make up?

In my league, 40% of your week is determined by 2-3 goalies and it's a 14 team league, so goalies are premium. In leagues where it's only 30% of your cats with less teams, it's less valuable

[MaxK]

Elite F.

Goaltenders performances varies too much from year to year and are more unpredictable to favor them over real solid Elite F values.
(Edit : Just noticed the other replies have also mentioned this, re Wonko)

Unless we are only talking about the new Tier 0 when we say Elite G :

Vasilevskiy
Shesterkin

Then yes those two could be more valuable than almost all Elite F, except for Tier 0 Forwards like McDavid, Draisaitl and Ovechkin in ROTO.

All things being equals in terms of comparing Tiers; I always prioritize F.

I’d lean even more heavily on drafting Elite F in terms of Single-Season Leagues.

[Bubba55]

Thing about "Elite" goalies is that they can falter (see Hellebuyck) and fall from grace more often than Elite forwards (Vas is the only exception imo due to his incredibly long and consistent history of top production). Shesty looks like a million bucks and may even have a chance to win the Vezina this season, but his status as a top 5 net minder going into next season is much more volatile than an elite forwards producing another elite season. Not picking on Shesterkin here, same goes for Saros and Andersen, ect..

Goalies generally, even ones who have an "elite" season, fluctuate more year to year than elite forwards do.

That has been my experience.

Just my 2 sense.

Fully agree with this. Honestly, as others have pointed out, Vasi is the only goalie in the league that has consistently been "elite". Hellebucyk is close, but look at this year. Shesterking, ya, looks good now, as have countless other goalies based on small sample size, but next year or the year after the chances are, IMO, that he is unlikely to be an absolute must own best goalie in the world. McDavid, Draisaitl, Makar perhaps Pasta and arguably a few others should not be passed over for Shesterkin. Huberdeau, well, that's a calculated risk, it could work out for you, or it could blow up in your face. Goalie Voodoo plain and simple (:

[islefan31]

Thing about "Elite" goalies is that they can falter (see Hellebuyck) and fall from grace more often than Elite forwards (Vas is the only exception imo due to his incredibly long and consistent history of top production). Shesty looks like a million bucks and may even have a chance to win the Vezina this season, but his status as a top 5 net minder going into next season is much more volatile than an elite forwards producing another elite season. Not picking on Shesterkin here, same goes for Saros and Andersen, ect..

Goalies generally, even ones who have an "elite" season, fluctuate more year to year than elite forwards do.

That has been my experience.

Just my 2 sense.

This happened to me this year with Helly. Traded my 1st for him in our redraft, which would have been a Taveres type, and he has poo poo'd the bed this year.

[Bubba55]

This happened to me this year with Helly. Traded my 1st for him in our redraft, which would have been a Taveres type, and he has poo poo'd the bed this year.

I rest my case (:

The majority of folks here on the forum considered Vasi and Hellebuyck to be the top two goalies to own, and this was based on consistently excellent numbers over several years. And look what happened. I had to make a move on a goalie this summer and both Vasi and Hellbucky's price was out of this world. I thought Lehner was a solid option, but it still cost me Barkov to acquire him. And look what happened. Assuming a guy like Shesterkin will be the best goalie on the planet for the next decade and making trades accordingly could turn out not so good. We have all felt the pain (:

[Invictus]

12 team league?

[Rhem]

Yea 12 team league.