Cmon Detroit...start sucking now and just get a high pick.
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I took the most recent rankings from four sources - HockeyProspects, Future Considerations, McKeen's Hockey and ISS - and calculated average ranking for all players. All data is taken from EliteProspects because they have it all neatly in one place with same formatting to make life easier.
Everyone has Rasmus Dahlin going 1st overall and Andrei Svechnikov going 2nd, and it would probably take something significant to see any changes to that. These two seem to be on a different level compared to the rest. Adam Boqvist, Brady Tkachuk and Filip Zadina fill out the top-5 pretty clearly, and these three seem to be separating themselves from the competition for those coveted top-5 selections. All five have very high fantasy hockey upside as well.
Quinn Hughes and Oliver Wahlstrom are coming next and seem to be making a case to become top-10 picks next summer. Joseph Veleno being ranked in the top-8 by three sources but HockeyProspects not having him in their top-20 is very interesting. I can see Ty Smith being a top-10 pick as well but Rasmus Kupari is a player who could fall a bit from where he's ranked right now. I believe he's still going to be a 1st round pick but probably not a top-10 pick.
I left out players who were missing from one or more of the rankings, so a few notes about those guys as well:
- Akil Thomas (from #11 to #19) and Benoit-Olivier Groulx (from #15 to #19) were ranked in the top-20 by three sources but HockeyProspects didn't have them in their top-31
- Grigori Denisenko was ranked in the top-25 (from #10 to #24) by three sources but McKeen's Hockey didn't have him in their top-31
- Jesperi Kotkaniemi was ranked in the top-25 (from #12 to #25) by three sources but ISS didn't have him in their top-31
- Barrett Hayton (from #16 to #25) and Jacob Olofsson (from #20 to #26) were ranked by three sources but Future Considerations didn't have them in their top-31
- Evan Bouchard was ranked #16 by ISS and Future Considerations but HockeyProspects and McKeen's Hockey didn't have him in their top-31
Other high rankings who didn't make the cut:
- Mattias Samuelsson ranked #13 by HockeyProspects
- K'Andre Miller ranked #14 by HockeyProspects
- Calen Addison ranked #17 by HockeyProspects
- Riley Sutter ranked #17 by ISS
Cmon Detroit...start sucking now and just get a high pick.
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Rep from me too--this is great stuff!
Thanks.
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Active roster (no starts, just total points): 12 FW, 6 D, 1 Goalie
Forwards: Kucherov, Barkov, Teravainen, Seguin, Hoffman, Lindholm, Gusev, Horvat, Meier, Perron, Schwartz, Johansen, Pavelski, Buchnevich, Hischier, Granlund, Bracco
Defense: Josi, Dahlin, Letang, Gostisbehere, Ekman-Larsson, Petry, Slavin, Keith, Matheson
Goal: Lehner, Holtby, Varlamov
Farm: Soderstrom, York, Woo, Tracey, Dorofeyev
Craig Button just released his latest "Craig's List", so I compared his list with this average ranking. Here are the biggest outliers.
Ty Smith was ranked #8 on average but Button has him #18
Joseph Veleno was ranked #9 on average but Button has him #25
Jared McIsaac was ranked #12 on average but Button has him #19
Bode Wilde was ranked #14 on average but Button has him #6
No other ranking had Barrett Hayton in their top-15 but Button has him #9
No other ranking had Filip Hallander in their top-31 but Button has him #23
I know some people don't respect Button's rankings but I do, so this is interesting to watch and follow throughout the season.
Even Button has the same top-5 as most other rankings but him ranking Adam Boqvist over Andrei Svechnikov is definitely another outlier.
Rep for me too. Very good information Jouko-Pouko. Will you say that you will rank them differently for a keeper non position points only?
Thanks in advance.
Great resource JP - thanks for posting. Rep to you
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At least for me, it's too early to make fantasy hockey rankings. But at least the first 5 prospects from the first chart will be very good fantasy hockey players as well, so I'm not sure if anyone can overtake them for fantasy hockey purposes either. And the 3 players ranked after them are very good offensive players as well. Veleno is the first question mark on that list for fantasy hockey purposes - he'll most likely end up being a very good NHL player but his offensive upside is still a question mark.
Although Ryan Merkley could end up being one of the best fantasy hockey players from this draft if he can improve his play without the puck enough to actually become an impact player at the NHL level. High risk, high reward type of prospect.
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Great summary. I've been doing this the last 3 years in my leagues - using info collected at mynhldraft.com.
As I pay for a subscription over at theathletic, I'll convey some information from there.
One reputable guy that used to work at McKeen's' has them as follows (on Oct 27):
1. Dahlin
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2. Svechnikov
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3. Hughes
4. Zadina
5. Merkley
6. Boqvist
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7. T.Smith
8. Tkachuk
9. Wahlstrom
10. Wilde
11. Veleno
...
12. Lundestrom
13. Kotkaniemi
14. Farabee
15. Addison
16. Bouchard
(End of a Tier)
Another very reputable guru of the junior world had them (on Sept 26) as:
1. Dahlin
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2. Svechnikov
...
3. Merkley
4. Hughes
5. Boqvist
6. Veleno
7. Tkachuk
8. Wahlstrom
9. Zadina
...
10. T.Smith
11. Kupari
12. McIsaac
13. Khovanov
14. Farabee
15. Addison
16. McBain
17. Denisenko
18. Hayton
19. Woo
20. Lundestrom
I think this is a great way of sorting prospects - and fantasy football folk have been using collective ranks (fantasypros) for a few years now.
One interesting method would be to throw out the "high" and the "low" for a player - as sometimes one person's love/hate for a prospects can skew rankings.
It's a very interesting draft for us "fantasy" folk because of the following:
One of the persons above calls this draft "an average draft class" but also states that it is "arguably the strongest crop of defensemen since 2008".
So... in fantasy leagues that cater to scoring (& forwards), it could leave a little to be desired if the D-man is more of a stay-at-home rock.
Though, from my reading, many of these defensemen (Hughes, Boqvist, Merkley, T.Smith) are smaller guys (<6'), excellent skaters and future PP-style possession D-men.
Yes, I think you're absolutely right about this draft class being full of smaller, puck-moving D-men. It also has some very good wingers but I'm not sure if there are any 1st line centers in the group. But considering the 2017 was pretty full of potential 1st line centers, that's probably not so bad after all.
Those two guys seem to be really high on Merkley, having him #3 and #5 on their rankings. I don't remember anyone else having him that high.
Will Scouch, one of the writers at DobberProspects, is frequently updating his average draft rankings on his Twitter account @Scouching, so I won't be making my own anymore but instead I'll post his most recent one here. This one is from today after ISS released their newest rankings.
Will Scouch @Scouching
Here's how a bunch of rankings look with stdevs. Still looking like a safe Dahlin/Svechnikov/Zadina 1-2-3. Between Boqvist, Tkachuk, Hughes and Wahlstrom, anything goes. Smith, Dobson, Farabee, Veleno, Kupari and Wilde look like the next group.Dominik Bokk falling to the 2nd seems unlikely since his trajectory seems very positive, whereas Jett Woo is falling due to injuries and a slow middle part of the year. Is he still my favourite boi? Yep.
I like the order in the Top 5 now, I think that's reasonable all things considered.
Two players who have been moving up all season long are Evan Bouchard (#14) and Dominik Bokk (#25). I think Bouchard might end up in that #6 to #10 range, and Bokk could find his way to the Top 15 as well. And I guess Noah Dobson (#9) is another one who has been steadily rising.
Thanks for doing this! This is awesome.
Where are the Canadians? Could this year be the lowest ever that the first Canadian born player is drafted?
Updated average ranking from Will Scouch @Scouching
Here's an updated chart from Will Scouch @Scouching
Now that the @ISShockey and @ScoutingService have updated their rankings, here's how the top 31 looks on average with standard deviations. Once the year ends, I'll get access to expanded rankings to make this even more accurate.
You're looking at a pretty firm group up top now. Dahlin almost certainly #1. Svech/Zadina are borderline interchangable, and Boqvist, Tkachuk, Hughes and Wahlstrom all in the next group.
Bouchard, Smith, Dobson, Farabee, Veleno, Wilde, Kupari and Kotkaniemi are in the next group, but it's very loose from 8 onwards.