haha I love this quote from Murray...
Frank Seravalli @frank_seravalli 8m8 minutes ago
Tim Murray: "If you'd have told me we'd end up w Eichel, Kane and Lehner for 3 first round picks, I'd have said you were high on mushrooms."
10-team H2H points keeper league, keep 4
G: 2, A: 2, SOG: 0.15, Hit: 0.15, Block: 0.15, W: 3.5, Sv: 0.025, SO: 6
7 F, 3 D, 1 G
2022-2023 Roster:
F: Connor McDavid, Steven Stamkos, Artemi Panarin, Jack Hughes, Mark Stone, Josh Norris, Tyler Bertuzzi, PL Dubois, Sam Bennett, Tom Wilson (IR)
D: Kris Letang, Drew Doughty, Brent Burns, Shayne Gostisbehere
G: Ilya Sorokin, Thatcher Demko
10-team H2H points keeper league, keep 4
G: 2, A: 2, SOG: 0.15, Hit: 0.15, Block: 0.15, W: 3.5, Sv: 0.025, SO: 6
7 F, 3 D, 1 G
2022-2023 Roster:
F: Connor McDavid, Steven Stamkos, Artemi Panarin, Jack Hughes, Mark Stone, Josh Norris, Tyler Bertuzzi, PL Dubois, Sam Bennett, Tom Wilson (IR)
D: Kris Letang, Drew Doughty, Brent Burns, Shayne Gostisbehere
G: Ilya Sorokin, Thatcher Demko
lol...Ev. Lehner as a Senator = stud prospect. Lehner as a Sabre = head case. Murray as a Senator = cunning mind and GM in the making. Murray as Sabre GM = lost his fan base.
1) please, don't speak on our behalf
2) three is a trend
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14 Team H2H Dynasty League (14 keepers, no farm)
Weekly Starts (3C, 5W, 5D, 1Util, 2G)
G, A, PPP, SOG, BS, +/-, GAA, W+OTL, SV%
C: MacKinnon/Eichel/Kopitar/Pinto/Wright
W: Ovechkin/Toffoli/Necas/Giroux/E.Kane/K.Johnson/Schmaltz/Bjorkstrand
D: Dobson/Trouba/Mintyukov/Gostisbehere/Edvinsson/York
G: Saros/Demko/Askarov
I literally said I like Lehner's upside on other teams. I've seen reports from credible people that he was traded because of attitude and work ethic.
I'm speaking based on observation. The Sabres are getting roasted for this trade by their fanbase, at least their internet fanbase. Never said they would leave the team...
Tim Murray is a great hockey mind and scout but he hasn't been a great GM thus far in my opinion.
Where, HFboards? Lol.
Considering both teams asset and roster structure, it could definitely be seen as win by both teams. I'd say that nine times out of ten, two NHL commodities, usually retain their value over time above a late-ish first rounder. Again, that's not to say that the sens didn't get good value, I think they did, but it likely looks better today for the sens as opposed to the sabres than it will in the future.
Will Lehner become a star? I'm not sure but I do feel he will at least be a competent starter. I'd be interested to see the success rate of the last ten 21st overall picks or the success rate of late 1st in general over the past ten years.
That part may be true. In fact I wouldn't doubt it. I think the only thing that could eventually cure Murray from being second guessed at every turn is winning. Which may not happen w/any regularity for another year ideally.
Myself I like the slow and steady approach building depth for the long term. Murray's tactics may prove in error over time. But they seem congruent with his stated philosophy which is why I am a confident believer in him.
Now give me EICHEL!!!!
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Filed under: I sure as hell hope so http://www.wgr550.com/Sabres-Murray-...oalie/21682781Sabres' Murray has total believe in his new goalie
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I think what people are seeing is what the top-10 of this draft looks like and they're thinking "wow a first rounder is so hot this year!", forgetting that #21 has looked like this historically. Late first rounders are not slam dunks, and losing a guy like Lehner is a big risk for a #21 pick.
I also think Sens fans on reddit and twitter are way overstating the benefit of losing Legwand. The guy had 1 remaining year at a cap hit of $3mil on a team that had $16mil in cap space, and I've seen people boasting how there was "no salary retained" in this deal. Yep, we sure dodged a bullet there!
I guess the long and short of it is: there's a lot of dummies on HFBoards, Twitter, and reddit
10-team H2H points keeper league, keep 4
G: 2, A: 2, SOG: 0.15, Hit: 0.15, Block: 0.15, W: 3.5, Sv: 0.025, SO: 6
7 F, 3 D, 1 G
2022-2023 Roster:
F: Connor McDavid, Steven Stamkos, Artemi Panarin, Jack Hughes, Mark Stone, Josh Norris, Tyler Bertuzzi, PL Dubois, Sam Bennett, Tom Wilson (IR)
D: Kris Letang, Drew Doughty, Brent Burns, Shayne Gostisbehere
G: Ilya Sorokin, Thatcher Demko
Murray stated he and his scouts did a lot of homework on 21 and what value would be there. I like Murray's rationale:
Murray has a ranking system where six is very good. He compares Lehner to what he could get at 21, “If he is a five plus or even a six, if he’s a five plus, we’re not getting a five plus at 21 in our ratings. If he is a six, what we believe is an impact player in the National Hockey League, we’re not getting that at 21.” Murray added, "If he was 27, 28 years old, I probably would have taken a step back. He’s young. He fits what we’re trying to do.”
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No, they had zero cap space as of yesterday. But cap space isn't what is important. The budget is.
1st round picks are good for us because our scouts are arguably the best in the NHL. Now that we have two, we can move up or even trade for NHL ready pieces.
I agree firsts are overrated but I love this deal and it doesn't have to do with the draft being "deep".
Lehner didn't have much value and we still got a 1st for him.
Yes there are a lot of dummies, especially on reddit. It's like people who complain about the Bishop deal