Rinne+ for Schneider

[rumplestiltskin]

I traded

Martin St.Louis and Pekka Rinne for Cory Schneider

what do you guys think of this trade?

big overpay IMHO

[Canucks_fan18]

Am I missing something? I think Rinne is better then he has been the last two years but I think Schneider could be an elite goaltender certainly top 10. Lets look at the numbers over the last two years.

Schneider- GP 75, GAA 2.04 SV% 0.924 W 33
Rinne- GP 67, GAA 2.60 SV% 0.906 W 25

Factor in age whos the better own? Don't even talk MSL ether because he was non-keeper for Hanna...

[2014olympicgold]

2 part message:

2010-2011	Games Played	Wins	Lose	OT	SO	GA	SA	Sv%	GAA	Mins
Schneider	25	16	4	2	1	51	714	0.929	2.23	1,372
Rinne	64	33	22	9	6	134	1,905	0.93	2.12	3,789
2011-2012
Schneider	33	20	8	1	3	60	945	0.937	1.96	1,833
Rinne	73	43	18	8	5	166	2,153	0.923	2.39	4,169
2012-2013
Schneider	30	17	9	4	5	61	835	0.927	2.11	1,733
Rinne	43	15	16	8	5	99	1,101	0.91	2.43	2,444
2013-2014
Schneider	45	16	15	12	3	88	1,107	0.921	1.97	2,680
Rinne	24	10	10	3	2	63	645	0.902	2.77	1,367

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The two goalies are closer stats wise than what people think. The big bonus for Rinne is his ability to play 89% of the season. This was also Schneider’s first season with over 2000 minutes. In the system like NJ, Schneider will absolutely thrive. It’s also an extra bonus you don’t count saves, otherwise Rinne would be the clear cut winner. I would say if you wanted Schneider you would have needed to pay more than just Rinne, but the addition of St Louis is a bit much. You bought high, he bought low on both players.

[lucifer316]

you have a goal in mind in terms of where you want to be with your keepers

as long as you keep what you want and get what you want and you are better than before you started, it doesn't matter all that much how you got there

yeah picking up a pick or two here and there to keep things even is better but at the same time if you are dumping players anyway you don't hold up a trade over perceived value

make your plan chase your keepers and be happy when you end up with the group you wanted, if you worry about every little move you make to get there you will take half the fun out of it

[2014olympicgold]

you have a goal in mind in terms of where you want to be with your keepers

as long as you keep what you want and get what you want and you are better than before you started, it doesn't matter all that much how you got there

yeah picking up a pick or two here and there to keep things even is better but at the same time if you are dumping players anyway you don't hold up a trade over perceived value

make your plan chase your keepers and be happy when you end up with the group you wanted, if you worry about every little move you make to get there you will take half the fun out of it

Exactly. If you got the guy you wanted, then this is a win. It's a pretty close deal anyways. I would say no clear winner or loser (points can be said on both ends of the deal). Wont see who officially wins until december

[Canucks_fan18]

you have a goal in mind in terms of where you want to be with your keepers

as long as you keep what you want and get what you want and you are better than before you started, it doesn't matter all that much how you got there

yeah picking up a pick or two here and there to keep things even is better but at the same time if you are dumping players anyway you don't hold up a trade over perceived value

make your plan chase your keepers and be happy when you end up with the group you wanted, if you worry about every little move you make to get there you will take half the fun out of it

This is a good point that people who respond don't consider when evaulating a trade. If he wasn't going to keep the + player anyway, and he feels he got an upgrade in goal, which I bealive he did then who cares if he overpaid? He would of lost the player anyway...

[0PucksGiven]

Good to see people people are seeing what had seen when I looked at the deal. A less risky Schneider... For rinne and non Keeper who's future production might not be as great as it had been.

You guys are right though we won't truly know till December

[lucifer316]

This is a good point that people who respond don't consider when evaulating a trade. If he wasn't going to keep the + player anyway, and he feels he got an upgrade in goal, which I bealive he did then who cares if he overpaid? He would of lost the player anyway...

the trade was evaluated exactly as presented

people can only consider what they are told

[Canucks_fan18]

do we think Rinne's numbers will be better then Schneider's next year?
Defiantly paid a lot but i wasn't sure if I was going to keep MSl next year so i was trying to consolidate and upgrade a keeper.... might come back to bite me but who knows till next year!!

He actually stated he wasn't thinking of keeping MSL...

[Dobber]

We will see how it goes ... schneiders numbers were great this year so lets hope he can build on that and get some wins!

I was thinking about this in the car this aft. The more I think about it, the more I warm up to the deal. Schneider will be a good one for sure, perhaps you just paid future value today. I still don't think adding MSL was necessary, but I'm wondering if you just landed Martin Brodeur 2.0

[0PucksGiven]

if he can be anything like a 28 year old Marty i will be very happy!

[SergeP]

I too was surprised to see the responses to this thread. My initial reaction was that it was a good trade for you, especially if MSL wasn't a keeper (in which case, to me, it's a no brainer move). I like Schneider over Rinne as is, add that to the fact that Nashville will be bringing in a new coach who may not want the team to play the same ultra-tight defensive system they utilised under Trotz AND that we keep hearing whispers that NSH is thinking of trading Weber, and it's a slam dunk IMO.

[0PucksGiven]

In my logic it seemed that Rinne was a little more volatile then Schneider coming into next season because of the coaching change and the injury he had faced, I was probably selling him at his absolute lowest value he has ever had but I think I got a pretty good piece in return. Schneider is younger and has put up so far really good career numbers and is looking to become an official starter next year.
It is good to see some people don't think its a complete bonehead move, but i wont find out for sure till next season.

I too was surprised to see the responses to this thread. My initial reaction was that it was a good trade for you, especially if MSL wasn't a keeper (in which case, to me, it's a no brainer move). I like Schneider over Rinne as is, add that to the fact that Nashville will be bringing in a new coach who may not want the team to play the same ultra-tight defensive system they utilised under Trotz AND that we keep hearing whispers that NSH is thinking of trading Weber, and it's a slam dunk IMO.

[Kofax]

The Rinne for Schneider part is ok. I like Schneider better in a keeper due to age and Rinne's injury concern, but they're probably a wash. Rinne has more of a track record, but more mileage and uncertainty recently. Schneider is less proven, but is looking like the stronger play.

The addition of MSL is what bugs me in this trade. You didn't need to add so much to get this done, and I would have been keeping MSL over D. Sedin. You probably could have pulled this off with adding a Nyquist, Tarasenko, or even just Johnson. It's all about maximizing the value of your assets, and I feel you missed a bit of an opportunity to parlay MSL/+ into something a little better. There's no gaurantee of course, but I think it should have been explored more.

Ultimately you accomplished your goal, so as long as you can be happy with it, don't worry too much.