Changes in Washington

[andrewklassen]

and it should be up to the coach or the GM to get the team to win a Stanley Cup not to make sure Alex Ovechkin gets 120 points

I guess I would just say I'm not sure these are completely exclusive things. Getting your best players to play like they're elite should give your team the best chance to succeed in the playoffs. I think most people believe that getting Ovechkin playing at a great level gives WAS the best chance to win a CUP.

I understand what you're saying and I agree AO's stats shouldn't be the primary concern, but for 10 million dollars he shouldn't be utilized as a checking F either [although his +/- does need some drastic attention...he can't suck defensively either].

[lucifer316]

I guess I would just say I'm not sure these are completely exclusive things. Getting your best players to play like they're elite should give your team the best chance to succeed in the playoffs. I think most people believe that getting Ovechkin playing at a great level gives WAS the best chance to win a CUP.

I understand what you're saying and I agree AO's stats shouldn't be the primary concern, but for 10 million dollars he shouldn't be utilized as a checking F either [although his +/- does need some drastic attention...he can't suck defensively either].

regular season production just doesn't guarantee post season success for a team

Ovechkin's best season ppg wise they only lasted a single round

one of their second round finishes happened to be his 2nd best ppg season and the other two second round finishes were his worst and 3rd worst regular seasons

regular season success of a player doesn't guarantee post season success of a team, and regular season struggle of a player doesn't guarantee the worst post season results

[Mr. Guru]

Another thread where lucifer wants attention.

We get it.

[newfcollins]

This will be the fourth coach in Washington the last four years. This type of transition is why some players get frustrated with an organization and want to go somewhere with more stability.

[kovalchuk17]

they should go back to run and gun and unleash mike green (or at least whats left of him if hes at least 75% of the old mike green) and get alzner/carlson to do the dirty work like before.

[lucifer316]

Another thread where lucifer wants attention.

We get it.

this has nothing to do with attention, this has to do with the alarming trend around here where expectations and projections aren't even close to being grounded in reality but are rather prided on being as ridiculous as they possibly can be

[Big Ev]

We all know who the problem is in Washington. Let's be real.

[slufoot]

I think we all know what the problem is in Washington. It's not the coach, or the GM. And it won't be the next coach or GM.
It's no secret that Washington hasn't advanced past the second round in over 10 years, and the Russians haven't won an Olympic medal in the past 10 years either.
Edit: wow Ev. We shared a moment there.

[RizzeeDizzee]

I just posted the official DobberHockey analysis as the lead story - enjoy and post your comments there or here.

http://hockey.dobbersports.com/index...-in-washington

[The Guvnah]

once again career years are just that career years

and characterizing 1.2 or 1.3 or even 1 ppg as mediocre is laughable at best

and it should be up to the coach or the GM to get the team to win a Stanley Cup not to make sure Alex Ovechkin gets 120 points

Did I say 1.2 points was mediocre? No. But it's not his best. All these guys want to be at their best (of course, that might not necessarily mean most points, but let's assume in this case that it is) and they're not striving for the middle or upper-middle or whatever. They want to be at the top, that's why they're playing in the best league in the world.

In your case, I think you should strive for punctuation and capitals at the beginning of sentences.

[jcairns]

Fingers crossed that this gives Carlson a boost and some easier minutes.

[lucifer316]

Did I say 1.2 points was mediocre? No. But it's not his best. All these guys want to be at their best (of course, that might not necessarily mean most points, but let's assume in this case that it is) and they're not striving for the middle or upper-middle or whatever. They want to be at the top, that's why they're playing in the best league in the world.

In your case, I think you should strive for punctuation and capitals at the beginning of sentences.

you still can't return to something you did 1 time in 9 years

return to is basically a short hand way of saying return to form

i have never ever in all my years of following any sport heard anyone reference a single year in a decade long career as the bar for returning to form

i have heard averages, medians, things of that nature

never have i heard return to form reference the best season in a player's career unless that career was around 3 or 4 seasons or less

[big_dl]

Oates was fine, but you could tell in Season 2 that Ovechkin didn't want to play for him anymore. So he had to go.

The bar for Ovechkin should not be "return to point per game". It should be "return to 1.5 points per game"

Uh, I didn't say it was the norm. I said it's where the bar should be. Do you shoot low on many things in life?


I'm not sure what to say to this. It seems very final. Wrong. But final.



I want to apologize for not pulling out the calculator and the protractor and working out an exact number for my forum post.

you still can't return to something you did 1 time in 9 years

return to is basically a short hand way of saying return to form

i have never ever in all my years of following any sport heard anyone reference a single year in a decade long career as the bar for returning to form

i have heard averages, medians, things of that nature

never have i heard return to form reference the best season in a player's career unless that career was around 3 or 4 seasons or less

This position that Ovechkin can't return to 1.5 ppg is slightly flawed. Ovechkin scored on 13% of his shots this year yet the shooting percentage when he was on the ice was only 6%. Given how much Ovechkin shoots that means his linemates didba piss poor job of providing their own offence. Thus OV was a ppg player this year with little help its not a him to conclude that 1.2 is a reasonable baseline expectation, probably more like 1.25, from there it shouldn't be ridiculous to say that each Ovechkins goal should be a 1.5ppg. There's no point in setting your goals at your baseline even if your baseline is elite.

[jcairns]

This position that Ovechkin can't return to 1.5 ppg is slightly flawed. Ovechkin scored on 13% of his shots this year yet the shooting percentage when he was on the ice was only 6%. Given how much Ovechkin shoots that means his linemates didba piss poor job of providing their own offence. Thus OV was a ppg player this year with little help its not a him to conclude that 1.2 is a reasonable baseline expectation, probably more like 1.25, from there it shouldn't be ridiculous to say that each Ovechkins goal should be a 1.5ppg. There's no point in setting your goals at your baseline even if your baseline is elite.

And part of the reason the on ice shooting percentage was so terrible is because he has piss poor linemates. Fantasy owners should be grateful if OV passes the 90 pt mark again, because I don't think he will.

[Mr. Guru]

Wow, Backstrom is elite.